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Originally Posted by christianm77
My jazz voice sounds the same whether I play swing, bop or Gypsy jazz. I talked to Bireli Lagrene about this a couple of years ago and he and I both agreed that what we both have done is incorporated vocabulary from different styles of jazz to create our own personal "stew". Bireli's stew is way more advanced than mine in every way, of that I am certain.
Like DB, I have a different vocabulary and phrasing for rock/blues playing. That said, there is some crossover between the two styles in my playing.
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05-19-2021 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Stringswinger
I had a big crisis about 8 years ago when I realised my Gypsy Jazz playing was completely disconnected from my modern playing. I think some people would like that, but not me.
One thing I've worked towards is a way of playing the gig (very important) without pastiching this or that player. I've found this to difficult in some ways, not least because of muscle memory; if you pick up a certain guitar you play a certain way...
Anyway, personal taste is a really important part of it. I can't fault anyone's taste because it's all relative. You could obviously critique someone's execution as a teacher for instance, but I see aesthetic/style as being very subjective.
I can only talk about what I want to do musically, and on the other hand try and advise say students based on what they are trying to work towards, which might be very different to where I'm going.
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PRACTICE FOR HOURS AND PLAY GIGs - THIS IS A RECIPE.
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05-19-2021, 12:27 PM #29Dutchbopper GuestSo I’m not thinking here of anything you are doing, which always sounds great, but rather what I’ve been interested in as a player, and this question cuts to the core of it.
As with most things I’m a Peter Bernstein fan boy and i just like his approach which is very much not to ‘throw notes on chords’ as he put it - which is my natural tendency - but instead focus on resources from the tunes melody. I find this a good counter balance for a few years of basically doing Barry Harris stuff which gave me some facility on bop tunes, but specifically in the Bossa rep I never felt as if my approach at that time sounded good on tunes like Inutil Paisagem, Insensatez etc when I played them live. Paradoxically I find working from the melody helps me improvise more freely than just doing the usual process. I play stuff I’d never play by ‘default.’
I used to be more worried that by changing my process, I might lose my identity as a player in some way, but I find that my voice will come out whether I like it or not haha. I actually think style/voice/identity is one of those things that you can’t change. It just is. Bruce Forman had a good quote about that.
Sounding great as always!
DBLast edited by Dutchbopper; 05-19-2021 at 12:46 PM.
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05-19-2021, 12:37 PM #30Dutchbopper GuestKenny Burrell refers to other player's "systems". We all have to find a system that works for us and create a voice that let's the guitar sound like what we hear in our head. Letting your fingers do the walking isn't good jazz, it is just "noodling" You need to play what you hear.
My jazz voice sounds the same whether I play swing, bop or Gypsy jazz. I talked to Bireli Lagrene about this a couple of years ago and he and I both agreed that what we both have done is incorporated vocabulary from different styles of jazz to create our own personal "stew". Bireli's stew is way more advanced than mine in every way, of that I am certain.
DB
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Originally Posted by Dutchbopper
I never changed my concept much. From the beginning it was always the bebop thing. The "Wave" video I posted above is over 15 years ago and I still play it like that, probably with some more space and a few new sounds but not THAT different. You are what you is I guess ... Also, there is not much need for me to sound state of the art with totally hip and advanced melodic stuff because I only play for fun and most people seem to like what I do. I full well realize that my playing is deeply rooted in the past rather than the present or future and that it's all been done earlier. But as a non pro, I can afford that attitude. I do take what I do very seriously though. For me, the fun is in trying to get as good as it gets, given the circumstances (very old starter in jazz jazz, hobby player, etc.) If I'd suck at jazz guitar all of a sudden, I'd stop in a heartbeat. So I am not without ambition. But I am happy enough with my concept as it is ... The level of jazz guitar in my country is very, very high (Jesse van Ruller, Martijn van Iterson, Reinier Baas, Stochelo and Jimmy Rosenberg etc.) and I have no intention whatsoever to compete with guys like
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Originally Posted by kris
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Originally Posted by lawson-stone
Best
Kris
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Originally Posted by kris
I wonder if I'm supposed to USE all this stuff???????
More work!
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the joy of Jazz, part I and II
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Originally Posted by lawson-stone
JD
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Originally Posted by lawson-stone
Lawson, do not put yourself down , Ive listened to the videos you've posted
and they sound fine, especially a good rendition of Wes' version of Whisper
Not. which sounds deceptively simple . Keep at it our friend , its a gift being
able to play, Believe me your'e no slouch.
Best, SF
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Hi, D,
One of my favorite tunes. Great job! So, there are two facets of a musician: personality and concept. The former tends to remain constant over the years; the latter is subject to great changeability. A few days ago I was reading some things I wrote in my middle twenties. They were well-written but would not represent who I am today--forty plus years later. My concept has changed although in a blind test, I would know I had written them(personality). Two well-known examples of this would be Miles Davis and Wayne Shorter. Both were consummate musicians who played "straight ahead" Jazz in the early years. Both, in later years, morphed into Fusion. But, however much their concepts changed, their personalities changed, little, if any.
These videos, D, are priceless for a musician as a historic perspective to one's evolution. I wish I had a fraction of what I recorded in the past on 8 track/cassette tapes that was lost in residence moves, loans to friends/acquaintances, divorce, and pure negligence. Once again . . . nice playing.
Play live . . . Marinero
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