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Originally Posted by rintincop
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03-02-2020 05:26 AM
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As far as I can see, the way you express things never implies you have the one absolute truth about whatever, totally the opposite.
That being the case, I don't really see how you could probably upset anyone.
If you think something is rubbish, it may help other people to read so from you, so expressing it is valuable.
BTW, I'm not criticizing whoever may have disliked your posts either.
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Yeah, ye gods I get so bored with this 'yeah cool man chill out it's all good' mentality.
Express an opinion from time to time, and back it up. I love it when someone expresses an opinion about this music which isn't simply - "oh, you are bad for expressing an opinion"*. Jonah and I argue like crazy, but my god I respect him. He knows his shit, thinks deep.
*which is actually a stealth way of trying to shut down something that disagrees with your opinion.
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I too think that makes being here a more enjoyable overall experience.
People who prefer a colder, more factual approach may like Stack Exchange question-answer concept better. I don't.
That said, Stack Exchange has this one thing I really like, and it's the fact that the OP needn't choose one category (sub-forum) for your Q-A thread. Instead, you assign category tags to it. That saves you from having to ponder whether your question is more to do with "theory" than it is to do with "improv", "chords", "comping" or "tunes". My ones at least are nearly always about all those.
But that aside, I don't really like it at all for THIS particular kind of knowledge (inherently subjective).
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Obviously, I will derail your thread. That’s a given. But then I derail my own threads.
Sometimes I derail my own posts.
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Side thinking is paramount in music. I think that's why I'd rather chat than go question-answer. Derailing should be appreciated and encouraged.
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Originally Posted by Lark
• A sophisticated D7-G7 where the duration of the D7 is shared between the Am7 and the D7 and the duration of the G7 is shared between the Dm7 and G7 (D7 and G7 are V and you turn them into II-V)
or
• A Am7-D7-Dm7 cadence followed by a G7-C cadence.
I think?
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Originally Posted by alez
D7 G7 C
the m7’s come in as a decoration of the basic dominant sound.
D7sus4 D7 G7sus4 G7 C
With a different bassline...
Am7 D7 Dm7 G7 C
So that’s like the ii v’d McJazz Edu version you see in the Real Book
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Here’s two nice 18th century harmonisations of the minor scale. Notice chromatic harmony as standard:
dim here means diminished triad
Cm Bdim/D Cm/Eb Fm6 G F/A Bdim Cm
descending
Cm Gm/Bb Abmaj7-Ab7 G G/F Cm/Eb Bdim/D Cm
Gorgeous, no?
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So I did wonder if you could do a straightahead jazz version of this, and I came up with this:
Cm6 Do7 Eb6 Fm6 Cm/G Am7b5 Bo7 Cm6
Cm6 Bb7 Abmaj7/Ab7#11 G7 Fo7 Eb6 Dm7b5 G7b9 Cm6
You could have fun coming up with all sorts variations. I like how the scale thing breaks up the ii V thing a bit.
Of course you have the Barry Harris and Mick Goodrick type formulae, but I like the way this isn’t always the same pattern.
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"My suggestion (based on the work I've been doing on jazz education) would be - aim to get people making good jazz noises and talk about the other stuff later on. Jazz is often so front loaded with theory that it can seem to the casual student that that's all it is." Christian
Hi, C,
This is how the Masters learned the idiom--trial and error, gigging, feedback from fellow musicians and much later,for some, academic theory. Today, Jazz has become academic and it is readily identified by their "music' which in many cases is cold, lifeless, and predictable. About a month ago I listened to some music on Studio Jams where a young, female alto sax player was playing robotic Bird solos lick for lick in a jam. Improvisation? Yes, for Parker. Good playing . . . Marinero
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I do think this approach helped them form a personality. The players who today have their own sound all followed that process.
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Originally Posted by christianm77
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Originally Posted by alez
its all about boiling things down and building them up again.
Charlie Garnett - Franken Tele
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