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Our standard for Nov 2018 will be Sweet Lorraine (Clifford Burwell/Mitchell Parish, 1928).
Background:
Jazz Standards Songs and Instrumentals (Sweet Lorraine)
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10-31-2018 11:59 AM
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Whoopee :-)
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#jazzjokes
#theoldonesaretheoldest
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La Reine Kitsch
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Not an easy tune to solo on it has to be said lol.
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Very nice take:
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The only version I’m familiar with is the classic one by Nat King Cole. Also features a short guitar solo by John Collins.
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Yes, it's funny, this tune. It was written by a producer, I think, rather than a player/composer. It should be a happy tune, given the lyrics, but I think all those tritones give it a rather sad, dreary feel. The trumpet was doing all right but I think John Collins was having some trouble with it.
Still, as we're posting YouTubes at the moment (!) I do like this one. Basie and Oscar give it a lovely bluesy feel. It might lose a bit of impetus towards the end though; it is quite long :-)
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Always worth looking a tune upon jazzstandards.com
Jazz Standards Songs and Instrumentals (Sweet Lorraine)
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Most charts I’ve found for this tune over-specify the chords with extensions, subs and turnarounds that I feel should be decided by the player (or arranger). I created this vanilla-ish chart that I’m using as a starting point. If I haven’t yet decided whether I want to play a chord as a maj6, maj7, or dom7 I’ll just name the triad. I’m experimenting with various extensions, subs and turnarounds as I play it. I’m posting in in case it’s useful to anyone else or if anyone wants to comment on it.
At this point I’m resisting the temptation to turn everything possible into cycles of fifths. For example, the 2nd bar of the bridge could be played as
| A-7 D7 G7 C7 |
which makes a tidy cycle of fifths. But I like the open feel of fewer chords, especially when learning.Last edited by KirkP; 11-03-2018 at 03:04 PM.
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As a word of warning - many people play it in F
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Originally Posted by christianm77
I’ll probably practice this in several keys.Last edited by KirkP; 11-05-2018 at 02:59 PM.
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I was thinking F too, to get away from the G and C rut.
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Originally Posted by christianm77
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You can watch me struggle getting this tune under my fingers as a solo piece in C. I need more time for improv ideas, but I thought I’d prime the pump on this thread. Why C? Why not? I’ll try other keys too.
(A certain political figure thinks he invented the idiom “prime the pump” but I’ve been using it since I actual had to do it on my grandpa’s well. )
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Oh, well done, Kirk! Great! When it's played like that it all makes sense :-)
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Kirk -
It's occurred to me you might think I'm exaggerating or that I'm just saying it, etc. I'm not. I think that arrangement was better than some piano versions I've heard. Quite a few of them sound forced in places, especially with the repeated descending harmonies, and the solos likewise because they're geared to 'fit'.
That arrangement (is it your own?) seems to clarify what's going on and make it tuneful. I liked it a lot, really.
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Originally Posted by ragman1
I looked at several charts to try to make sense of the changes. One of my favorites is “Anthologie des Grilles de Jazz” because it’s pretty close to vanilla. Then I found a chart for the tune in the iReal app and edited to make my own vanilla chart, as I posted above.
I like to strip the harmony down to what I think is the essence based on the melody and definitive versions I’ve listened to. It’s an iterative process. I’ll use my vanilla chart to play along with recordings (using the iReal transpose feature), fix my errors, and make note of the ways various performers reharmonize parts of it. Going through that process helps me understand the tune much more that if I used someone else’s chart, and it gives me ideas for my own interpretation.
When working on my own arrangement, I try to focus on the melody and bass lines and add just enough in-between notes to suggest the harmony. I like to think of the guitar as a choir, with voices that move somewhat independently. I’ve taken a few lessons from Tim Lerch and try to play somewhat in that style, but stripped down to my humble skill level. (By the way, Tim’s two downloadable solo albums are excellent & inspiring. Tim Lerch Store)
In my listening, I ran across a couple of outstanding versions of Sweet Lorraine that are available on YouTube:
Kenny Barron
Till Bronner
I won’t clutter this thread with the links, but they are worth looking up.Last edited by KirkP; 11-07-2018 at 02:54 PM.
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Originally Posted by KirkP
I looked at several charts to try to make sense of the changes. One of my favorites is “Anthologie des Grilles de Jazz” because it’s pretty close to vanilla. Then I found a chart for the tune in the iReal app and edited to make my own vanilla chart, as I posted above.
I like to strip the harmony down to what I think is the essence based on the melody and definitive versions I’ve listened to. It’s an iterative process. I’ll use my vanilla chart to play along with recordings (using the iReal transpose feature), fix my errors, and make note of the ways various performers reharmonize parts of it. Going through that process helps me understand the tune much more that if I used someone else’s chart, and it gives me ideas for my own interpretation.
When working on my own arrangement, I try to focus on the melody and bass lines and add just enough in-between notes to suggest the harmony.
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While l listen to all your nice versions, in my head I keep hearing Malaika (Fadhili Williams, Miriam Makeba, Harry Belafonte, BoneyM ...)
I do not think Loraine is based on 4 chords pop song. I think it's based on 3 chords.
A: C G C G F G C G
B: F F F F G G G G
All together, it rminded me of couple of years ago and what I did with one other simple tune, Soleil Soleil/ Soley Soley (Middle of The Road, Nana Mouskouri, Dalida ... , our American friends probably have no clue about all these names ...). Soley ... has somewhat moody intro, but once it gets going .... Don't get me wrong, yes, it is lateral OT, but here it is:
Last edited by Vladan; 11-10-2018 at 02:56 PM.
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Your stuff's always fun, Vladan. Free trips round the place :-)
I think it does go into Am from C and Dm from F though... those are very strong sounds.
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Originally Posted by ragman1
The only other chord I would rwally like to hear is G+ as the last chord of B:.
BTW, I edited chords in previous post, to stay true to form.
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Here's mine. Acoustic chords + electric solo (both on the ES175). Took a while to get my head round this one, in the end I tried to target the important chords and not get hung up on all those passing chords. Also thinking about the melody seemed to help.
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Originally Posted by KirkP
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Originally Posted by garybaldy
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