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A short excerpt from the Deep Dive with Ben Monder which happened yesterday evening.
It's interesting that Ted Greene and Ben plus other fingerstyle jazz guitarists play Bach Chorales.
As Ben says it's a non-guitaristic way of approaching the fingerboard.
This one is especially for Christian
Would love to hear all of your thoughts.
Can playing Bach Chorales bring a new paradigm to your playing?
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04-22-2024 08:25 AM
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I haven't yet graduated to four parts... ;-)
I should get around to this at some point. Playing two part inventions has certainly put hair on my chest. It's all good, playing stuff that is in many senses, entirely unsuited to the instrument.
Will watch later....
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Originally Posted by Christian Miller
I'm back to playing chorales on the six string. Such fun
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Originally Posted by Liarspoker
Four parts is doable for homophony- so chorales, sure
It’s interesting though, I’ve heard pianists say this, I thought it was a guitar thing… limitations of the instrument
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Ted Greene often played the Bach Chorales. There is a vid of him giving a seminar at Musicians Institute years back and he is
casually playing one as he is talking to the guests.
There are several chorales on Teds website.
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wolflen, I think that Ted spend a good period of time practicing the Bach Chorales for up to 12 hours a day. Maybe Barbara's book might reveal more (I haven't read it)?
Christian, 4-part is the only way to go. Just revisiting number 1 on the 6:string. Not perfect and only the first phrase but you get the idea.
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Actually for guitar I would recommend about lot of two part haha. It’s more than my brain can deal with honestly.
According to Remes Bach taught the craft of chorale harmonisation by asking students to come up with several bass-lines, figuring and then expanding to four+ parts as the exercise dictated. So in a sense they are two part.. bass and melody.
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I’m also a big fan of one part haha
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Originally Posted by Christian Miller
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Originally Posted by Jimmy blue note
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Being an organist, I can attest to 2 and 3 independent parts being plenty. Bass line, melody, inner part. It's enough to hurt your brain.
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Originally Posted by Jimmy Smith
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Originally Posted by Jimmy blue note
the thing about his approach is that it is harmonic..and explores his lines in all 12 keys..usually in the cycle of 4ths/5ths. But others as well.
In doing this you explore the entire fretboard and every note is part of a chord and not a random filler
I find this extremely important as it leaves no "blank" spots in the exercise..and in many cases where polytonal chords are used
and you are open to thinking in several keys / tonal centers in the same exercise ie: Emi7b5 C9 (no root) Gb alt dom (b9 b13)
In these cases knowing voice leading is crucial to the harmonic flow of the exercise..here is where knowing inversions and slash/chords
and working with top note melodic movement align.
for what ever reason Sterns work used to be posted here but have not seen it in a long while ..I personally think it would be a great asset in the Improvisation section/
To me this kind of study is an extension of Bach flavored harmonic movement
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Originally Posted by Jimmy blue note
KA PAF info please
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