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Originally Posted by Oscar67
From This Place though is a cut above. One of the best large-scale compositions by Pat or any jazz composer in years. The narrative arc of that work is impressive--it move from confusion to hope, and tells an important story which maybe only a midwesterner used to looking at broad vistas could tell.
Side-eye is my favorite Pat "conventional" album of recent years. He and his band are on fire. No resting on the laurels. If you think he's just tone and effects, this album will prove you wrong. Unfortunately I was not able to see him play with this band recently due to a prior commitment.
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11-18-2023 04:45 PM
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Miles didnt like the term "jazz"... I agree with that..
I dont consider myself a "jazz" player..like many I learned many standards..and how to play over, in and out and under them..
Kind of Blue said.."sorry..this ain't jazz"
the mass market lables are not solid anymore..
lets see
McLaughlin
Monder
Scofield
Guthrie Govan
Tom Quayle
Frank Zappa
Metheny
this list can include hundreds of names
these players can do traditional diatonic harmonic standards all day long
and if that is all they played many would say they are "jazz" players
but when they step out of that framework..some feel they have been let down in some way
that the music they are playing isn't valid
rag's valid point of when Dylan went electric..and instant resentment toward him
so is the unwritten LAW..play music only this way..stay within the lines..or else
if so..how sad
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Originally Posted by wolflen
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Originally Posted by wolflen
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Originally Posted by Dean_G
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Julian has been doing stuff like this for years. There’s a whole album of acoustic Americana he did with Chris Eldridge for example that came out a few years back.
This one didn’t rock my world, but it’s part of a vibe that’s been in Julian’s music for a long time.
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I thought people who love jazz and jazz guitar related music were tolerant - boy was I wrong!
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I'm always interested in what Julian Lage chooses to play. Was surprised I didn't care for it much. I do have a fondness for flat top Americana from time to time. Just wasn't a lot going on in this particular piece.
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Originally Posted by Gearhead
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I've seen Julian live and was really impressed, I really enjoyed it. But I don't own any of his albums - for me, his compositions are a bit lukewarm, they're not arresting or colourful, nor do they grab me by the throat so to speak - the single this thread is about is no exception to this - nice, but definitely nothing to write home about. However, I think when he plays live (and this was evident from seeing YouTube videos years before I went to see him) I feel his obvious brilliance and adventurousness really shine and turn those compositions into something else, often brilliant and epic. Has he released any live albums?
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Originally Posted by Gearhead
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Originally Posted by MrTriangle
I don't mind, really... some albums (whoever the artist) have every track that's amazing, some just a few that are really good. Some albums have, maybe, just one track that makes it worth buying the album (I have bought quite a few albums because there was just one piece I really loved and found all the rest mediocre). And, of course, the best (or worse) piece for me might not be the best (or worse) piece for someone else...
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Originally Posted by Litterick
Bro music alert!!!
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Originally Posted by James W
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Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
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Yah know, I thought I should listen again, be more open minded, give Omission another chance. Now I have to say I think Julian Lage is in his niche.
I think contrary to what I posted earlier he has found himself here. And the band as well. They're so good.
And the tune is so pretty. Not a mistep or wrong note anywhere! I believe even Dave King demonstrates amazing maturity here.
No more do we have to endure impulsive off the cuff quirks of the drummer, those creative outbursts.
No this is beautiful, pure complacency. These guys are good enough to be studio musicians! Like a contemporary
"Wrecking Crew", just think what they could do for someone like Taylor Swift!
I love it really I do and I apologize if my initial cynicism offended anyone. Progressive music like this is why I keep coming back to "JAZZGUITAR.be". Peace.
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So we can imagine him releasing different genres of music? Like an actor who alternates between appearing in commercial films and more interesting films? I can live with that.
I'm not criticising the sins of Omission (there, I said it!). Just hoping for better stuff, IMHO.
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Originally Posted by BigDaddyLoveHandles
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Originally Posted by Dean_G
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Originally Posted by ruger9
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Being an interpreter of standards as a high level jazz player is is a bit more than the ability to cover on a background standards gig, which I believe Zappa, Guthrie have done in their lives. You realise the difference pretty quick as a player when you encounter someone a high level standards player in a playing or teaching situation….
But I do understand some are less interested in that side of jazz, and probably aren’t so interested in the difference, and mostly want to hear the composer/instrumentalist at work.
I do however understand it’s a Very Big Deal in NY and what separates top modern jazz players such as Adam Rogers, Mike Moreno, Ben Monder and so on from the more fusion and virtuoso instrumental rock players who have an understanding of jazz but don’t play lots of acoustic jazz gigs and know hundreds of standards. The NYC guys all seem to LIVE the tunes and the music. It’s to do with that community of musicians regardless of their own projects.
(I do get impression Julian knows a ton of tunes btw.)
Not a value judgement, i do think from the interviews he’s done Tom Quayle (who doesn’t often perform live) would be equally keen to make the distinction with regard to himself. He’s obviously a talented player and has carved out a niche for himself but he’s not a working jazz player.
I don’t think Zappa had much interest in the standards repertoire judging from his own words. Guthrie, no idea. From what I’ve heard his secret passion is more country than standards jazz.
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Don't beginning guitarists play anything and everything out of intellectual curiosity? When they come to play with others don't they play in all kinds of different bands playing all kinds of music?
Of the dozens of bands, one was two bass players (one low, one high playing "girl bass"), a trumpet, a drummer without cymbals, and me on guitar.
Another was a band that specialized in parties for space program interns (from all over the world); we played all the quirky one hit wonder songs from the K-tel records TV commercials of the 1970s.
Once someone becomes a brand, I imagine their contracts may prevent them from playing certain kinds of music or even revealing the various kinds of music they have played, to protect their marketing category assignment.
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Originally Posted by pauln
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Originally Posted by pauln
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Originally Posted by Gearhead;[URL="tel:1298997"
Whatever made you think that ?
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