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Well, since I got your attention . . . I, really, mean it since the disparity between New Gen players and Old Gen sadly continues to grow. It doesn't require a rant when you have the pudding . . . here's Jimmy Smith, Kenny Burrell, Herman Riley(tenor), and Grady Tate performing "Organ Grinder's Swing" from the excellent album "Live in Vienne, France 1993. Really guys, with rare exception, where has this music gone? Enjoy!
P.S. Herman Riley, a great and unknown tenor player to many, just tears it up!
M
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09-17-2022 11:19 AM
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Do you actually listen to any younger players much?
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I prefer old players...Marinero bravo!
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Originally Posted by Christian Miller
Yes . . . every morning. I do a search by instrument(ie: Jazz Guitar, Jazz Saxophone, etc.) and I do like Emmett and some of his jam sessions. However, not the one you provided. . . too Lionel for me. Every time I hear him play I think of Horace Silver. I think he was certainly influenced by his music. I like this video.
Marinero
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There were avant garde players in 1960 and there are old school players now. I try to enjoy and learn from them all.
Please don't tell us you don't like Cory Wong's funk -
Wild in the old school? Here's some fairly mild Lenny Breau -
and here's some old school playing from new players -
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Originally Posted by Marinero
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Originally Posted by Christian Miller
EDIT: I had not followed the updates of this thread so it turns out you already know it.
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Originally Posted by Marinero
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Here's some young players having a heck of a lot of fun:
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Originally Posted by nevershouldhavesoldit
Love the poster at the top of the page! So: Corey Wong: Did I hear any guitar solos? No. IMO, his funky comping could have been heard in any number of bands in my old neighborhood by teenage guitarists playing Kay guitars and Harmony Amps. However, I loved the horn band! And . . .Lenny--no; Mimi--o.k.; Jocelyn--the real deal. However, I do like your playing but we're talking about younger players, right?? Ahemmmm . . .
Marinero
P.S. Guys like me and you are at the end of our proverbial roads in life. Honesty is the best policy. M
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Cecil Alexander
Unfortunately there are not many videos of him playing with others. IIRC he is teaching at Berklee now.
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Originally Posted by Marinero
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Originally Posted by jameslovestal
My Dear friend James,
You must be getting forgetful in YOUR old age . . . well, you know the saying:
"Only the good die young."
Marinero . . . a proud and healthy septuagenarian
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Originally Posted by Bop Head
I made it to the three-minute mark. Not much interest. The white guy was the better player IMO and the black guy just wanted to play fast. . . well, they both wanted to play fast. Blues, for me, is one of the most abused musical genres and Jazz-inspired licks and supersonic playing have no place in the genre. But, that's just my opinion. Here's my idea of the Blues. I hope you enjoy!
Marinero
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O.K, B,
One more:
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Originally Posted by MarineroOriginally Posted by Marinero
Another album I bought then (and still one of my favorites) is “Mud In Your Ears” by Muddy Waters with Luther Johnson on vocals and guitar:
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Originally Posted by kris
Most of the old players are dead. They don't need our support and don't have bills to pay and families to support. If we want jazz to live, we need to buy the records and go to the gigs of the new musicians. Maybe we need to expand our ears a little bit instead of being stuck in styles and repertoires that are 50-60-70 years old. Kind Of Blue, Giant Steps, Take Five, Mingus Ah Uhm, etc., are 63 years old! Time to move on, advice to myself as much as anyone else.
Tal Farlow, Kenny Burrell, Joe Pass, Jim Hall already played that stuff.
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Mimi is a great player, but I wouldn't call her new. She started playing guitar in 1966.
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Originally Posted by nevershouldhavesoldit
What sounds like a plucked or strummed-with-pick chord is actually played with her right hand middle finger, sweeping upwards.
I can't hear any difference between the sound she gets with that technique vs. the sound she gets with any other.
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Speaking of Mimi's uniqueness, I like that thing where she plays single note lines above the 12th fret on the lowest strings. Kind of a no go zone for most, but she made it sound a lot like a standup base in the upper registers. I just thought it was cool to see someone doing something that's usually avoided and making it work. It was on some other tube I saw a few years ago. I'd post it but I don't think I could find it. Can't remember the tune or how I stumbled on it.
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Originally Posted by ccroft
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Originally Posted by Marinero
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Always the million dollar question - do you change as the world changes? Or, do you continue what you are doing?
In my mind, it is similar to taste in food. Some people are always seeking out a different tasting food. Others have a few different ones that they eat until the day they pass on. Then, I guess there is everyone in between.
But then the question is raised, will one still support the "Arts" when it no longer appeals to them? And why does it not appeal? Is one being close-minded, or is it as simple as just liking what one likes and being content with that? Then where does it stop? Should one also get into Death metal, Punk, Celtic, or stick with music that is similar to what that person likes? I don't know, and I don't judge one way or the other.
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I’m 60 years old. Based on family history, every year I have is a gift. I don’t care what young people are doing with jazz or anything else - that’s their concern, for good or ill. I have plenty of music to enjoy going all the way back to medieval polyphony. I have Haydn quartets I haven’t really listened to yet. I have Paul Desmond and Jim Hall records I could listen to everyday and never be bored with them. I have some nice guitars and working fingers and a mind that’s still functional and I can amuse myself all day working on some short piece by Tarrega or Monk. Future jazz - future music, future politics, future culture - doesn’t owe me anything.
I don’t ask myself “how long do you expect me to take this” because I’m fortunate to be in a position where I don’t have to listen to what I don’t like. And there’s plenty I don’t like.
I’d rather use my right hand to pluck arpeggios than to shake my fist at the clouds. Who gives a f*** what I think anyway and why should they? I’m just living, playing guitar, enjoying wine and friends and family and breathing - Why should I expect anything from 20-year-olds playing jazz guitar? Why should they care?
Enjoy what you can while you can.Last edited by maxsmith; 09-19-2022 at 12:44 AM.
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The differences that exist between older and newer jazz can be found in funk too. Vulfpeck and Cory Wong are great (I especially like their drummer Nate Smith), but a world apart from 60s-70s funk.
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