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Originally Posted by takefive
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04-08-2020 06:12 AM
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that's the spirit.
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longest trading of 12 in jazz?
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The ratio of hard bop guitarists to saxophonists or trumpet players is (or was) at least 1/5.
Hard bop is more about drums and the rhythm than anything imo. You could take any good guitar player and put them in a session with Art Blakey and it'd be hard bop guitar.
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Originally Posted by arielcee
the repeat post, but people aren’t listening to it and they NEED TO BE TOLD.):
I cannot imagine Johnny Smith, Jim Hall, Jimmy Raney or any of those - or even Wes - thinking to play this way. It’s just - raw.
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Originally Posted by christianm77
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Originally Posted by christianm77
And here's a great outing with trumpet (Freddie Hubbard) and flute (Hubert Laws)
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Originally Posted by Neon Scribe
I think of Johnny Smith as cool jazz- although he was New York based for the best-known parts of his career and was never really a West Coast-er. He was never a bebopper as such, although Charlie Parker was a fan of his. Seems like there was always a cool jazz sensibility to JS, even when he was playing on the New York scene at Birdland, etc. He usually denied being a jazz musician as such, noting that he played too much non-jazz to be a jazzer. I don't think anyone believed him. The Roost recordings are marvelous documents and there are a couple of live sets from his later years as a performer on YouTube. After he moved to Colorado, he referred to it as "being as far away from New York as you can get without being too close to Los Angeles." There is always debate about how much his solos were worked out in advance; I think that he had arrangements worked out but that solos tended to be improvised even when they sounded planned. He had a great ear and a huge harmonic vocabulary that was pretty pianistic.
Jim Hall first rose to prominence with Chico Hamilton and then Jimmy Guiffre, but most of his career was New York based. His first solo album in 1957 is straight ahead bebop/hard bop- one can be forgiven for thinking it's Tal Farlow or Jimmy Raney at first. It sounds almost nothing like the rest of his body of work. One of my very favorite jazz guitarists, like most of us here. He had his own sensibility that was so personal and seemingly free of artifice.
Ed Bickert might have been a cool jazz player. Not a hard bopper by any means.
Was George Van Eps a cool jazzer? To my ears he seemed to exist outside of those movements and played his own thing, more swing than bop.
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Originally Posted by Cunamara
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For me hard bop is so closely associated with Blue Note it can be hard to separate the two.
But that soul jazz/bluesy/churchy/heavy swinging/groove jazz late 50s/early 60s is always what I associate with hard bop. Influenced by bebop, sure, but less.... frilly? Complicated?
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Originally Posted by christianm77
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Originally Posted by arielcee
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Why doesn't Jimmy Raney get any votes here? Wikipedia lists hard bop as one of his music genres.
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Jimmy Raney! absolutely --very modern player at the time!
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How about this guy? Bill D'Arango. Listen to Dizzy Gillespie's recording of 52 Street. theme. If you type into the browser Dizzy Gillespie 52 Street Theme, it's the first one up. The solo is crazy good.
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Originally Posted by christianm77
No bloody Easter eggs for you, a damn cheek, snarky quips about my Wes
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Originally Posted by jazzimprov
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Originally Posted by christianm77
Says a guy who still isn’t quite sure what “hard bop” or “post bop” even mean.
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Originally Posted by christianm77
This is IT. Raw sloppy, yet fresh inventive lots of cliche phrases that just sound killer. Sounds like John Lewis piano.
This is the game changer is that In your own sweet way piano quoting 7.36- 7.42, When Grant returns 8.32 that guitar is so distorted, it sounds incredible all up to 8.42 then sounds like Blakey drums kick. I dont think i have been so excited in a track for a while. I finally get it.
As Pappa Lazarou . said You're My Wife Now!
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It’s actually from the Complete Grant Green quartets with Sonny Clark on piano. Blakey is on drums.
Wonderful stuff, one of my favourite Grant Green CDs:
The Complete Quartets with Sonny Clark - Wikipedia
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Originally Posted by grahambop
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2Bop! Hey man! Sunny in the hood!
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