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Originally Posted by cosmic gumbo
I would say Miles was a better composer---he did have a sense of making the whole band want to sound great together, whereas Coltrane could seem to forget there were other musicians playing with him---but it seems he took credit for many tunes actually written by others (Solar, Tune Up, Dig, Four...)
He had his own sound and that's huge. I'm a fan, but not a fanatic.
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03-17-2020 09:56 AM
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There are many"greatest" lists out there, of course. But I will share link to this one, because I will quote from it: The Greatest Jazz Artists …According to The BBC Also of course, all those lists include Miles, and maybe not so of course, they do not include Rollins. For a reason, or not?
Anyway, below is quote from that article on above link, where from I removed sentence about Miles and replaced it with sentence about Mr. Joe Doe (sorry Joe, you do not deserve this, but JGF is one funny place), as per what I learned in this thread was the thing that makes one be really great (my addition is in blue bold font):
Describing the top 10 as “the best of the best,” Radio 3’s Geoffrey Smith said the first three positions were all occupied by “immortals” of jazz music. “Duke, the orchestral master; Louis, the father of us all; Joe Doe, who could play unaccompanied and has recordings of it.
And here is original sentence, one about Miles:
... the essence of the ever-changing contemporary spirit.
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Originally Posted by Rob MacKillop
What got me into learning jazz was the mental image of a tragic-cool solo horn playing on a lonely, dark and rainy night. I knew if I was going to have any shot at emulating that vibe on a guitar I was going to have to transition from learning songs to learning music. To play a musical line that worked; that made sense, and had some soul. There is not a facet of my playing that has not improved dramatically as a result of the effort.
And there it all is, in a two minute clip. Thank you!
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I hear, you, Betz!
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Love Miles and all he captured as a musician and leader. Yes, he certainly hired and influenced a lot of young musicians but I'll just mention Art Blakey in this discussion. Blakey's bands consistently had young guys who went on to great fame. Won't bother to mention many but Freddie Hubbard, Bennie Golson, Wayne Shorter and the Marsalis Bros come to mind.
I came to Miles through Bitches Brew and then went backwards. His best groups were from the '50s for me.
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Originally Posted by Rob MacKillop
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Ah, she has got you too. There's no escape!
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miles and gil E...one of their best
Concierto De Aranjuez
cheers
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Originally Posted by jazzereh
Kind of like certain sports teams—there are “young teams” (Seattle Seahawks) and “old teams” (New England Patriots). Blakey seems to me to be a young team.
Miles on the other hand was hiring guys for specific purposes—young, but already with a distinctive style. His structure was much looser and gave the artists more room to express themselves individually.
I think Miles’ sidemen would have been successful regardless of whether they had played with Miles. On the other hand, I think a lot of Blakey’s players developed into mature musicians under his tutelage. The students ironically often overshadowed the master, at least in album sales.
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Jeanne Moreau obituary: a cultured, sensual actress for whom cinema was “life itself” | Sight & Sound | BFI
Sorry, in case you didn’t know, she passed a few months back.
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Originally Posted by whiskey02
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miles & moreau
cheers
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I had heard. A life well lived.
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Originally Posted by Betz
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thanks for the reminder, Ill try to catch it...
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Originally Posted by neatomic
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Originally Posted by wintermoon
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Originally Posted by jameslovestal
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Originally Posted by Doctor Jeff
As I understand it, if I remember correctly, he really wanted to be able to play like Dizzy, Parker etc, at first, but realize he simply didn't have the technique, and that was what later led him to develop his own style.
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Originally Posted by Doctor Jeff
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Originally Posted by greveost
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Miles wrote 13 compositions/vamps, not all of them got widespread recognition, but a few of them are indeed very nice. It would be foolish to question his contribution as an artist and bandleader, after all he climbed to rock star fame by making hot Jazz covers of other people's music before nailing it with "Kind of Blue", arguably the most sold Jazz record of all time, including 5 tracks all written by Miles. Those songs are pretty good, but not anywhere near the Jazz standards top list.
So he could blow the horn -check. He got a signature tone - check. And he brought skilled musicians together. -check. And he became a Rockstar - check. And he sold a lot of records - check. And I went to see him once and I'm influenced by his music- check.
Is he the greatest? You decide for yourself.
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Originally Posted by JCat
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Originally Posted by Doctor Jeff
The Musings of Miles - Wikipedia
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Jazz is mainly about self expression through improvisation. You don't have to be a great composer too...
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