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02-22-2020, 10:48 AM #1joelf Guest
We must. He's too important not to.
Sure turned me around...
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02-22-2020, 10:51 AM #2joelf Guest
An amazing clip from '38. Basie band at Randall's Island:
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My number one. So lyrical. When he steps up to solo, the entire piece changes mood. And he influenced our Charlie. What's not to like?
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PS That video is wonderful, by the way
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02-22-2020, 11:10 AM #5joelf GuestOriginally Posted by Rob MacKillop
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Would bebop have been born without him (yeah, I know, but he was an influence beyond just the music...), would the Beatnik subculture (and consequently ALL youth subcultures that followed) have been born without Pres? Think. about. it....
When they say the history of Jazz is summed up by Satch, Duke, Bird, Miles and Trane, crucially they emit Pres.
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02-22-2020, 11:35 AM #7joelf Guest
Some wags said he wasn't as good after '41.
Really? Here's a masterpiece from '44:
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02-22-2020, 11:40 AM #8joelf Guest
Others dismiss his '50s work---'washed up'. The hard living and hypersensitivity changed his playing, but to me the honesty and poetry never died .
Art Ford's Jazz Party, PBS, from '58 (Lester Young died at 48 in 1959):
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May be the pinnacle of North American culture. The clothes. The moves. The music. The movies. The cars. The architecture. The painting. Total unification. (i know...the politics sucked...but I'm an artist, not a politician) And the crowd!
I like the old clips where everybody on the floor stops dancing... and listens cause the playing is so damn fine!
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I remember a Sonny Rollins interview where he said all original early bebop sax players could be broken down into the Lester Young school or the Coleman Hawkins school. If your are not hip to them, you've got a hole in your jazz education. This was the important step in the continuum from big band to small jazz groups.
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Originally Posted by princeplanet
President of Beauty: The Life and Times of Lester Young | Documentary film about Lester Young
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Originally Posted by joelf
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Originally Posted by cosmic gumbo
Re' Rollins, I sort of get where Sonny is coming from, but where does Sonny fit in? He seems pretty lyrical like Young to me.
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brew moore was a serious prez disciple..his line was- "Anyone who doesn't play like Lester Young is wrong, "
he even set up & held his horn like him!!
^ a great recording btw
cheersLast edited by neatomic; 02-24-2020 at 12:31 AM.
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To me Sonny Rollins always seemed influenced more by Coleman Hawkins than by Pres, with that big, gruff tone and muscular style.
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There was a guy called Paul Quinichette who copied Pres so much that he was known as the ‘Vice-Pres’!
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classic lester... in jazz short film... -jammin the blues- he even gets top billing...
opens with a close up of his classic pork pie!
some cool young barney kessel as well..great little film
cheers
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very solid lester sessions with oscar peterson trio (+1)...barney kessel on this too...there were a few sessions and 10" releases in early 50's...now all available on one verve release
lester young with the oscar peterson trio
ad lib blues
cheers
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The ‘Vice-President’ even managed to make a record with Coltrane:
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Originally Posted by joelf
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02-23-2020, 07:20 PM #21joelf GuestOriginally Posted by grahambop
(Now there's the Jazz Museum in Harlem----the baby of Loren Schoenberg, who I've know since the West End days, ca '82. He really did a great job getting it together, getting funding. There are concerts, talks, and soon jam sessions)...
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paul quinichette was solid tenor player..cut interesting tenor duo lps with coltrane...and monks future tenorman charlie rouse
rouse takes first 16 (on left channel)..then quinichette steps in (right channel) and the tradin begins...quinichette has an almost getz type sound...perhaps bringing together lesters influence on getz!
cheers
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Originally Posted by Rob MacKillop
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02-23-2020, 09:39 PM #24joelf Guest
I think Pres's most advanced disciple was Warne Marsh. Getz got the technique, melodicism and sound. He was a master. But Warne got to the spirit of Pres to me: the airiness, the asymmetry. And he built complex edifices on those roots. And, like Pres, he was a real from-the-ground-up improviser, not at all lick-dependent.
All those white tenor players like Allen Eager, Brew Moore---cool for sure. Guys like Dexter got a lot, for sure. Hank Mobley, too. Anyone lyrical had to stop by Pres. But Warne took it somewhere truly original---even as it was faithful...
Last edited by joelf; 02-23-2020 at 10:46 PM.
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Originally Posted by MarkRhodes
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