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Originally Posted by joelf
I'll stick to my guns on this though. There's a reason that Little Wing wasn't released during Stevie's lifetime...he knew it was just a wankfest too. A shadow of what him and DT were capable of.
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02-08-2020 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Rob MacKillop
I remember a guy I knew in high school saying that he thought Jimi Hendrix came from the future. I saw his point. But the more I matured as a player and listener, the more I realized how heavily indebted Hendrix was to his musical past----he 'went to school' on R&B, blues, soul, and funk. He was a great rhythm player. And like all true bluesman, he knew how to work a good riff. He had a strong musical foundation on which to build.
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well said mark...& so true!! jimi had been in the chitlin circuit scene long before he went to the uk and became a star!..he paid some dues...and learned from some good ones..they say cornell dupree was big early influence...(dupree was in -stuff- alongside eric gale for years...was one of the alltime greats..all about spacious chords!!..and ever so tasty licks..a great!..rip)
whenever musicians jammed with jimi, they were always amazed that they could hand him any electric guitar or bass!!...and he could play it upside down (he was lefty) and not miss a beat...he was deep music..whether it blossomed to the "jazz" degree you wish, well... but what mighta been...& he was a true lover of guitar..and as such a brother!
cheers
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Originally Posted by Doctor JeffI disagree. Why even mention somebody else's imitation of the great originals? Various others also did covers of these and other Hendrix songs. Red House in particular. I think these were tributes, not because the other artists thought their versions could equal his.
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Originally Posted by MarkRhodes
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funny, but the little wing cover that first comes to mind to me, is not the later srv cover, but the great version by derek & the dominoes...with eric clapton and duane allman on guitars...and they cut it while jimi was still alive!!! it was a tribute to the living man!
whatever you think of clapton...dominoes were great band..carl radle of oklahoma on bass..rock solid..the great jim gordon..wrecking crew crowd drummer...and great bobby whitlock on organ and great gospel vocals...and add duanes slide
cheers
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Originally Posted by neatomic
For every Derek and the Dominoes, there's something like this, unfortunately. Here's a guy who only heard SRV's version and never paid attention to the fact that it's a love song...love for someone ELSE.
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Talking about rock guitarists in jazz context, the only not jazz (and not jazzrock or flamenco) guitarist I find interesting is Jimmy Page. I mean for me he is the one who express some deepness, melody, and emotional content what we all look for in jazz. Of course others contributed many billboard songs, but I am talking the impros. I know Led Zeppelin many times accused to be not original, but they really captured something from the blues deep felings, converted and integrated it to they British white culture. Some tracks are real pieces, not especially the song, but Jimmy Page's impros, and the highest level of musicans interaction what we only know from jazz music.
Last edited by Gabor; 02-09-2020 at 12:23 AM.
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Originally Posted by neatomic
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The Monterey Pop Festival..1967..the first "rock festival"
they made a movie of it...Hendrix Experience first USA appearance...
He plays "Wild Thing" the old Troggs tune..only very different (ahem)
in the solo..he plays behind his back.."Strangers In The Night" mixed with some
fragments of Purple Haze..
after.. he burned it..
he went on tour and along the way..some very smart promotor..manager..booking company..teamed
Jimi ...with..The Monkeys!!
Ok mom & Dad..little Dolly and Bobby will be having nightmares for a while..
mommy..whats a manic depression..and wont he get burned if he stands next to her fire..??
hey hey!!! were the junkies...
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Jimi?
It’s been a long times once I’ve properly listened to him. I grew up with music, and he remains my main reference for how an electric guitar should sound. (Hey, Purple haze was meant to have been recorded on a tele, right? :-))
Intensity and groove, two things most rock players will never come close to him on because he came out of a hard apprenticeship with the top guys in black music of that era....
but there was Buddy Guy and all those heavy blues players.... I mean what other guitarist could lay claim to Sonic Youth, Steve Vai, Stevie Ray Vaughan and Scott Henderson as successors?
I’ve learned to value other ways of playing, but when I was 15 it was only Jimi and Peter Green (for a completely different type of intensity) other than that it was the old blues guys, Sumlin in particular, or get lost...
these days I’m less of a blues fascist when it comes to rock, but I have to say for modern players that come close to Jimi? Well I can’t compare because I didn’t hear him live. Derek Trux has an intensity to him, for instance. Rock was a brave new world back then of course, now it has norms and stylistic constraints and a specific technical approach to playing.
Of his generation I feel Pete Cosey took it one step further even as a lot of the out and out rock guys tended to be actually more influenced by Clapton and maybe Mike Bloomfield even as they namechecked Jimi (I mean they didn’t have his funky feel, right?)...Last edited by christianm77; 02-09-2020 at 07:15 AM.
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Another thing, Jimi liked to play in the baritone range of the guitar, which worked well in trios etc. A lot of rock guys are more like high tenors.
Jimi said “Kenny Burrell that’s the sound I’m looking for.” It makes more sense when you think about register/instrumentation.
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My first concert was Hendrix in Honolulu at the HIC Arena October 5, 1968. I'll never forget it. I couldn't sit down the entire time, totally blew me away. I studied with Coryell for about four years and he had some great Hendrix stories as they were good friends (both from Seattle) Larry was in the studio when Hendrix recorded the long version Voodoo Child. Hendrix: "Hey Larry you want to jam on this one?" Larry: "No Jimi, it sounds pretty good as it is". Of course Larry could play rings around Hendrix as far as jazz vocabulary. That being said he summed it up this way, "Jimi was a genius".
BTW there's a picture floating around on the web of Larry and Jimi jamming together. Hendrix is playing bass!
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Originally Posted by jaco
Jazz players have had that... Charlie Christian springs to mind, but it’s something I think I hear most with horn players. Brecker said he learned a lot from rock guitar players for instance....
jazz guitarists sometimes I think define themselves too much in contrast to rock players, and we end up throwing something out that we shouldn’t? Usually the blues and dramatic intensity it can seem....
OTOH there is more than one way to be a guitar genius, which is the fun for a listener!
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I think Jimi Hendrix is, along with Charlie Parker and John Coltrane, one of the greatest musicians of the 20th century off written music (including Duke Ellington, Charles Mingus, Gil Evans), much copied but never matched. For me, the presence of the blues is undeniably one of the causes
as a guitarist, the comparison is indeed imposed with Charlie Christian, and out of the influence of the blues, Django Reinhardt
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I reckon Django’s a lot bluesier than people think when you start digging into his stuff... He’s like Bach in that he cheerfully does all the things you are meant to avoid when imitating his style lol
Yeah I mean these sorts of ‘greats of 20th century’ list always end up getting longer and longer .... but there are some you can’t do without and Jimi is one. I think if Django had never existed the guitar would have continued much as it did. Not so with Jimi and of course Christian.
btw Gil Evans was a student of Stephan Wolpe, very much a 20th century concert music guy who studied with Busoni and Schrecker, it’s not always possible to make a neat division between concert music and everything else. And any greats list would also have include Quincy who studied with Messiaen and Boulanger...
but yeah...
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Originally Posted by arielcee
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I regret if this pains fans, but I can't help saying out loud that I dislike everything about that man; music, playing, guitarsound, voice, image.
I've asked several older people to show me where the good bits are in their opinion, and why there is such a cult around him, but they never went beyond "but don't you hear it???", or "you'd have had to be there".
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Originally Posted by Zina
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I used to be a big fan of Jimi. I guess I'm still a fan, but these days more of his rhythm playing and songwriting. Solos? I think I prefer Clapton more now, to me he was/is one of the greatest storytellers as a soloist, and Jimi is just... too much!
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Originally Posted by Patlotch
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Originally Posted by Zina
I was just saying that Coltrane was a Jazz God,... different planet, different Universe even...
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Originally Posted by zdub
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Originally Posted by Zina
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I saw Eric Clapton and Steve Winwood—both friends of Jimi—play Little Wing in concert a few years ago. One of the highlights of the show.
As I recall, McLaughlin was getting started in England when Hendrix hit the scene and jammed with him a few times.
There was a lot of mutual admiration among all the guitarists of the time. McLaughlin btw didn’t start out as a bebop-playing prodigy. He played RnB and did rock session work and backed Georgie Fame among other things. So it’s not a stretch to say Jimi could have been a jazzer if he wanted to move in that direction. (John studied piano and violin before moving to guitar...)
Apparently there are tapes of Jimi jamming with Zappa as well.
Too bad he didn’t get with Miles, as is well rumored. The more I listen to Miles from that period the more I think they would have gotten along well together and created some interesting music. It’s said that one of them sent a telegram to Paul McCartney asking him to play bass with their new “group”, but Jimi died before that happened.
(Still waiting on the Miles-Prince jam sessions to be released...)
I guess one of the most impressive things about Jimi was how open he was to all influences and to playing with anyone and everyone.
Can anyone date this? goodwill epiphone
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