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Originally Posted by Howzabopping
As a final remark, the premier trumpet player of the past was not Miles . . .but Chet. If you listen to any of his albums in comparison to Miles, his lyricism, inventions, pacing, creativity, musicality and TONE were superior-- in my opinion. And, this is in no way a disparaging remark about Miles--one of my favorite trumpet players before his Rock fiasco period, but rather based on the last 50 years of listening and studying their music. And, for us guitarists who are LYRICAL rather than LINEAR players, there is no better teacher of melodic playing than Chet. Good playing . . . Marinero
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01-06-2020 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Marinero
Much as I dig Chet there's no way I'd call him "the premier trumpet player of the past"
I hate comparing but Clifford Brown, Lee Morgan and Freddie Hubbard immediately spring to mind.
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Originally Posted by wintermoon
Isn't that why some prefer Chateaubriand while others opt for Prime Rib? Thanks for the comments and I also love the three t's you mentioned! That's what makes Jazz so interesting. Good playing . . . Marinero
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Originally Posted by Marinero
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The first solo I ever transcribed was Chet Baker's on "But Not for Me." I also did about 4 choruses of his "Summertime" both of these from early recordings. His playing was inventive but totally playable. I always found it interesting that what he played was not hard to play, it was hard to THINK to play. I couldn't imagine the lines, but when I heard him play them, I could find them on the guitar.
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Originally Posted by lawson-stone
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Originally Posted by grahambop
I couldn't make it past the first few bars! Definitely what we call in the Arts a "pot boiler"-- helps pay the bills. I remember, in a similar vein, a gig I once played as a saxophonist in the 70's to fill in for a "saxer" in a polka band that couldn't make the gig due to illness- accordion, bass, and drums and NO ONE was in tune. I tried several times to "tune-up" with the accordion and the bassist who repeatedly said it was "just fine." I was easily a 1/4 tone, if not more, out of tune. It was the only gig I walked off the stage before the end. Well, we can at least say Chet played in tune! Good playing . . . Marinero
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Yes sadly Chet got talked into doing some lousy recording sessions in the 60s, he really needed the money badly by then. And at some point his teeth got busted so he was really struggling to play properly.
But actually if you wait until he plays a solo on that track, it’s still essentially the same Chet, playing some remarkably melodic lines, under the circumstances.
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This is an interesting duet with Caterina Valente, an international pop singer.
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Originally Posted by AndyV
Hi, Andy,
I never heard this recording of Chet. Thanks. However, the guitar is much too busy for my taste.
Good playing . . . Marinero
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The Mariachi Brass was a blatant pay day gig for Baker. You cannot imagine a more formulaic ripoff of the TJB, right down to the "four on the floor" Hal Blaine bass drum. Some folks were cashing in on the Herb Alpert craze of the mid-60s and offering Chet Baker some money to lend his name to the enterprise. It actually strikes me now as sort of TJB Karaoke music--haven't heard the album in about 50 years, so I'm listening with fresh ears.
Everybody was doing pay day gigs back then. Barney Kessel "Hair." Wes Montgomery "Tequila."
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He also made a great album modestly titled “The Most Important Jazz Album of 65/66”. The album is all Tadd Dameron tunes. The Miles vs Chet debate is interesting. Frankly, I enjoy Chets playing far more but Miles had the wherewithal to put together amazing bands and write and sometimes steal great tunes.
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Originally Posted by Roberoo
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Originally Posted by Patlotch
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Originally Posted by sgcim
"and now we would like to play a ballad, Durn Dat Dream"
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For any of our readers in London, a good drummer friend of mine is playing with The Retro Chet Collective at the Bulls Head in Barnes this coming Sunday, 19th January. They will be recreating the 1975 Jim Hall album 'Concierto', recorded with Chet Baker.
RetroChet
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Originally Posted by bleakanddivine
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Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
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Originally Posted by sgcim
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Originally Posted by jameslovestal
Oh, Chet plays pretty good too
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Originally Posted by Patlotch
I think he does not get the attention he deserves.
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Originally Posted by lawson-stone
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I have a soft spot for his jazz funk album You Can't Go Home Again, maybe not for everyone but the playing is great and Chet seems to be enjoying himself.
Also I love the albums Chet on Riverside, he is slightly over shadowed by the stella cast of supporting players but the album is a great moody set of torch songs.
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I really enjoy "My Funny Valentine - Chet Baker plays and sings for lovers". It was recorded in the 1953 - 56 time frame. I really like his vocals as well as his trumpet playing.
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