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Originally Posted by jameslovestal
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12-14-2019 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by buduranus2
Note that I would select Jimmy Raney as the one jazz guitarist I could listen too all day; lyrical and melodic and thus 'goes down well' and doesn't require much from me as a listener (not that Raney doesn't have complex lines,,, but again, that the lines are so flowing and lyrical,
they are easy-on-the-ears).
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Wes Anderson. Kenny Chesney. That's a hard choice.
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I tried to google it but all I came up with was these guys:
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In a fight?
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Originally Posted by A. Kingstone
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First it is a bit strange for me to have Wes and Trane in such a coparison together.... Wes is mostly conventional jazz, Trane went much further... but I understand what is meant here anyway
I repect and admire masters - Kenny Burrell is a true master and individuality... he has something to say with his music, there is always something behind in his playing.
And when you dig deep into a master like that you can find pure treasures and it will bring hours of joy.. until you hear Wes again.
Players like Wes are unique -- lots in his playing can be anylized and even questioned... but all together it has something that cannot be explained. I can understand his technique, his approach (there is nothig really coplex in it) but I cannot understand how it works...
There is somethingin it that comes from very very far and deep.. from some source we cannot trace with reason, and I believe we feel it (and I believe that living in conventional world not everyone would appreciate that experience for a long time)
there are artists that manage to personify some universal things... they can seem not very versatile, not having very broad technical and artistic range.. but they are so much convinced in what they are doing that it is impossible to resist it.
Their stubborn dedication to one idea or topic has a bit inhuman nature maybe.
In that sense Wes is close to Trane...
And of course for people in general it is common to look for something that they suppose they would be able to do... I mean unconciously.
People feel uncomfortable when they feel something important is going on which is beyond them...
Actually.. have you ever had a feeling that even your existance may be disturbing for somene (even if you do not do or say anyhing)... because people feel that your existence just denies their way of living... it's the same thing.Last edited by Jonah; 12-15-2019 at 11:21 AM.
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Wes actually played in Trane's band for a couple of weeks:
"Montgomery joined the Coltrane/Dolphy quintet in September 1961 during the
California portion of the band's pre-VV tour. They played for 2 weeks at
the Jazz Workshop in San Francisco and performed at the 1961 Monterey Jazz
Festival. There have been rumors of a Monterey tape for years. The set
included "My Favorite Things", "Naima" and "Impressions". Fujioka lists
the session (September 22) but documents no tape."
Here's Wes playing Impressions:
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Comparing Wes to Trane as though Wes can be intellectually challenging, but (like Trane) not always soulfully satisfying? ... I'm afraid we don't inhabit the same universe ...
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Originally Posted by buduranus2
By the way..
I can't check right now but I think there is record of Kenny Playing with Trane too...... I had a CD
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Great record!
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think Wes said he wasnt good enough to play with Trane...no idea where i read that..anyone enlighten.....
Has anyone been lucky enough to hear John Coltrane's set at the Newport Jazz Festival 1961 featuring Eric Dolphy and Wes Montgomery? (self.Jazz)
submitted 5 years ago by [deleted]and?amd/or
Has anyone heard the bootlegs?
This was the festival where Trane had Eric Dolphy and Wes Montgomery join his band. Historically it's the only time Coltrane ever seriously asked another musician to join his band even though Wes refused to stay.and/or ..Trane talked about adding him to the lineup. Wes opted for making AM radio pseudo-jazz instead.
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Originally Posted by voxsss
We never know... we cannot know what was behind the idea of Trane to try Wes in a band.. They have some fundamental basis that seem to be coming from the same roots... they are both in their own way very intensive players and both (in their own way) come from Afrom-American root music.
With all intensity and energy they both have very balanced thoughtful temperament.
And still... it is quite possible Wes did not have these extremely demanding aspirations that Trane put into music... Wes could feel that staying in a band of Trane would make him 'fake it'.
With all respect to other bandmates - personality like Trane is the absolute leader. All his regular bandmantes in osome sense stay 'Trane's musicians' (like all Ingmar Bergman's actors - whatever they do and however great - seem to belongg to his personal world).
And Wes - with all his humbleness - is a bandleader.
On the other hand it is quite possible that Trane could feel too that this would be something that might happen in the next life maybe - or if they mat in their teens.
We never know for sure (if even if we find they both said something about it )Last edited by Jonah; 12-16-2019 at 02:20 AM.
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It's too bad they didn't start a co-operative band back then and trade off leadership on the LPs.
Then we could have eventually heard Trane shredding on 'Bumpin' on Sunset' and Wes laying down some cool soul octave lines on 'Ascension'.
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It's Wes all the way for me.
I find plenty of guitarists demanding to listen to, and understand some of Trane's recordings being described this way, but with his beautiful feel, melodicism, swing, phrasing, etc., I don't find that to even remotely be an issue with Wes, quite the opposite in fact.Last edited by MattR; 12-16-2019 at 02:10 AM.
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Originally Posted by MattR
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Originally Posted by 44lombard
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Originally Posted by jameslovestal
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Originally Posted by Jonah
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Originally Posted by ronjazzlucky? I'll say!
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Originally Posted by voxsss
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Originally Posted by grahambop
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I'm kind of the many flowers in the garden school but I can't recall one specific thing Kenny Burrell ever played and there are at least 30 things that Wes played that are forever burned into my heart and memory. IMHO, Wes tapped into a stream of music that transcends the instrument. For everyday listening, Paul Desmond with Jim Hall is heaven.
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