View Poll Results: Django vs Charlie Christian
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Django
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Charlie Christian
31 47.69%
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Have any of you guys watched that Ken Burns documentary lately? Even on the later sodes dealing with bop/modern jazz they continue talking about trad jazz. It's f ckin annoying man and Wynton Marsalis uh man he's a good player but does he ever get on my nerves. And he's a hypocrite, talking about you gotta come to and except a new style it's not coming to you. But he's routinely put down and criticized free jazz and fusion!!
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09-01-2017 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by FZ2017
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Originally Posted by FZ2017
Burns doesn't owe History anything, it's not meant to be a final historical document funded by the Government or whatever, Burns creates Entertainment. Period. I found it entertaining, I didn't even mind that Wes wasn't mentioned, let alone about a thousand others. It was successful entertainment, like much of his stuff.
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Originally Posted by princeplanet
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Originally Posted by princeplanet
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Originally Posted by princeplanet
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Originally Posted by christianm77
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Rob, that was just lovely. I can imagine Audrey Hepburn walking down the street in a film with that first piece playing in the background.
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Originally Posted by BigDaddyLoveHandles
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Originally Posted by TOMMO
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The author, Joseph Weidlich, also wrote "The Guitar Chord Shapes of Charlie Christian" and several books on banjo music and also some mandolin books in addition to other guitar books.
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Reinhardt influenced band mate Stephane Grappelli and vise versa. Grappelli was an influence to other jazz violinist.
Not a direct influence and nothing revolutionary, just pushing jazz forward.
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For me, Charlie is the much bigger influence.
I enjoy hearing Django but I don't know that he's influenced me much.
Curiously, the guitar player I like the most who is heavily influenced by Django is...Willie Nelson.
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My view is that Django is far and away the best jazz guitarist ever, followed by Charlie. Followed by Wes. But in terms of influence, I agree Charlie leads the way.
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Originally Posted by Phil59
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These polls are always subjective. Some Django, some Christian. But I’m a Wes advocate because he influenced a generation of players after the most important time in jazz, and that was the 50’s onward. Wes was humble, but boy was he brilliant and could swing like no other! I prefer Wes’ music to um-pa chords. To each their own.
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Originally Posted by 2bornot2bop
He certainly came along later and recorded a lot. Of course, many think Wes' later output was too commercial, not jazzy enough. I can love Wes and at the same time acknowledge he had a big influence on Muzak guitar...
For me, nearly everything I do on the guitar day-in and day-out (at least the default stuff) can be traced back to Charlie. (And T-Bone Walker and...)
I love to hear Dgango, usually a lot in a short time, and then no more for quite some time. I can always listen to Charlie.
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But this opinion poll makes no sense for you’re comparing one person who had but a few years, against another who had a career. I don’t get it.
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For what it's worth Wes' prime influence was Christian, he took Charlie's approach and modernized it.
So probably safe to say even though CC's career was short, he had the overwhelming influence.
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I am another one who can listen to Django (and la pompe) all day long. I am about to over generalize something: I look at American jazz as sad jazz and Gypsy jazz as happy jazz. Something very uplifting to me when listening to Django. In addition, his modern followers have taken his techniques to a higher level than him,( and Django was definitely no slouch technique wise,) but there is something intangible in his playing that, after listening to Joscho Stephan or Jimmy Rosenberg for a while and going back to Django I say to myself, "Ah there it is!"
Every now and then I get on a Django binge and study his tunes and picking technique. While I will never be Django, my right hand has improved drastically every time I play. No matter what style I am playing, I use Gypsy picking technique and it is amazing how much control I have. For that, and other reasons, I am forever in Django's debt.
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Originally Posted by wintermoon
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Here's a thing that's often occurred to me. I listen to Wes and GB and so on, and I also hear a lot of Django. Wes has said he got the idea of octaves from Django (IIRC.) There's a lot of Django in GB's playing too to my ears. For instance his sound has some of that gypsy stridency to it.
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Probably because both use rest strokes?
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Originally Posted by docsteve
It contributes, but the choice of pick and amp setting; you can get a rounded sound with benson technique if you want (think Adam Rogers), but I just think GB has a lot of Django in his sensibility. The gypsy guys LOVE him
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There's a poetry to the music of both Django and Wes that, in my opinion, transcends the guitar and reaches some some kind of sublime plane of universal musicality. Charlie Christian's playing both created a new genre and was the sublime example of an existing genre on the guitar, but his in terms of artistry, I don't find his music to be universal in the way that Wes and Django's strikes me.
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