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Hi,
I'm 19 years old and have just started playing jazz. I come from a pop/rock/blues backround. I have noticed that there is several approaches to learn jazz guitar. I really love Charlie Christian, as some of you might already know, his method was to "visualize chords shapes" and improvise from those shapes, if I got it right.
Would that be a way to start? To learn many chord arpeggios and improvise within those shapes?
Also, what modern cheap amp can provide a similiar tone of his?
Thanks, and I hope you are having a great day. Sorry if my english ain't too good, hope you can understand what I'm trying to say.
Simon
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07-07-2013 10:42 AM
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IMO...learn all the chord shapes you can...
What notes of the scale are right next to the fingers holding the chord...up or down a fret or two...
Experiment and you will find them because they are there...
time on the instrument...
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The link that Gertrude Moser gave you is a good basic overview of CC's approach to guitar. Other good materials are A Common Sense Approach To Improvisation For Guitar by Joe Negri (38 pages, Mel Bay) and Swing to Bop The Music Of Charlie Christian by Stan Ayeroff (239 pages with two CDs, Mel Bay).
Charlie Christian The Art Of Jazz Guitar by Dan Fox is worth seeking out for his most well-known solos with the Goodman Sextet including the seminal Solo Flight.
The Negri book has TAB, the Ayeroff and Fox books are notation only.
Christian's sound came, in part, from his use of Gibson ES-150 and ES-250 guitars with a bar magnet pickup plugged into Gibson EH-150 or EH-180 tube amps. The amps had very simple circuits compared to today's amps, used field-coil speakers and produced 15 and 18 watts, respectively.
One of the best ways to approximate CC's sound is to use a small to medium size tube amp and cut the reverb all the way off. Christian's amps didn't have reverb and produced that dry sound that we associate with early electric jazz guitar.
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There's a method called CAGED which does this; 5 shapes (which are altered for the different chord types), similar to what Christian would have used.
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A lot of his sound can from his ... Charlie Christian pickup!
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Thanks for the replies guys, appreciate it!
Would a Pro Jr do the job?
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Yes, a pro junior is good enough, don't worry about the gear too much.
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I'd suggest picking up the recent reissue of the Sony box set, "Charlie Christian: Genius of the Electric Guitar" (i.e., avoid the first release as the packaging was terrible). If books of transcriptions are your thing, there's also Wolf Marshall's Hal Leonard folio, "The Best of Charlie Christian". Remember too that unlike pop/rock/blues music, guitar generally doesn't lead the pack. In fact, CC was one of the last jazz guitarists that other instrumentalists regularly turned to for ideas. Christian himself loved Lester Young's approach and many of his guitar lines are lifted almost verbatim from the latter's recordings. There's a great set on Proper Records, "The Lester Young Story" that contains most of the excellent and highly influential early sides.
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Originally Posted by PMB
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Hunt down the book by Stan Ayeroff "Charlie Christian - Swing to Bebop". It contains a detailed analysis of many of CC's solos, and also two cds, which helps. Published by Mel Bay.
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That CAGED method sounds easy. Where can I learn it?
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Originally Posted by withoutasound
I do have a Pro Jr. and that's a great amp. Since it's not too trebly it has good potential to deliver a proper jazz tube amp sound. Has anybody mentioned yet to use flatwound strings?
As for the CAGED method I'd recommend getting the book "Fretboard Logic".
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When I first started learning jazz, I got a few pointers from Dave Cliff (check him out)
He got me to focus on learning chord shapes with 1 3 and 7 (shell voicings) and playing songs that way.
He also said 'learn the melodies of songs'
And 'learn to play the chord tones on standards and base your improvisation on these.'
It might take you a while to learn what these things are and where they are on your instrument, but this ground work is really important.
After you get to grips with stuff, start working with a metronome.
Ignore chord/scale theory for now.
Play as many downstrokes as you can.
Charlie Christian is fantastic thing to start with. Try and learn his solos by ear if you can. He likes minor 6th shapes a lot over dominants and minors, and 'chuck berry' style licks (which he invented) over majors. There's some really good info on the internet that ought to get you started on fingerings etc.
Oh ear work is 100x more valuable than any amount of theory or 'visualisation' of the neck. Try to play melodies in different places. You'll make fewer mistakes and get faster the more you do this. It will be HARD at first and SLOW. Keep going and take breaks when you get frustrated!
Gear wise you can get close to CC's sound for under a grand, but focus on your playing for now, until these are likely to make a difference. I know lots of guys who are obssessed with buying CC pickups etc but they miss the point. If CC picked up my guitar and played it he would sound like CC. His sound comes from the use 3 fingers (not 4) on the Left hand, lots of sliding about and lots of HEAVY downstrokes.
Good luck!Last edited by christianm77; 08-10-2013 at 10:04 PM.
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I am pretty sure that the sound that has captured the imagination of rock/blues generation guitarists is Charlie's distorted "Minton" sound and not the "safe" round sound of the Goodman recordings.
Indeed, I wonder if the Minton recordings had been more widely available back in the day, if the sound of jazz guitar would have had a harder, more aggressive edge in the years following Charlie's death.
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Originally Posted by diminished1944
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Well, I disagree AND Django most decidedly had a natural "harder edge". No, it's Charlie's Minton sessions with the sound, and the extended soloing, that give Charlie the great reputation that he still has. Of course, if the Minton sessions never existed he would still be reverred BUT his reputation among rock generation fans would not be anywhere near as high.
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Originally Posted by diminished1944
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I posted a transcription and analysis of one of my favorite charlie solos, "Rose Room", a while back:
Charlie Christian’s Solo on “Rose Room” – paul sanwald – Medium
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Another great one is Howard Morgen's "Fingerboard Breakthrough."
With this method, you just have to know the major and minor triad shapes across all 6 strings, and then you just drop, add, or raise notes from there to get minor, aug, dim, 7ths, etc.
$39 on TrueFire.
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Originally Posted by diminished1944
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Originally Posted by christianm77
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Originally Posted by diminished1944
Unless there is some polling data (e.g. a survey), all one can know is what captured their imagination (and maybe what their circle of friends think).
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I'm not sure whether I'm of the rock/blues generation, but he captured me. But no one else I knew. if it wasn't on Dick Clark's Bandstand, they weren't interested. At all.
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Well, Charlie is in the Rock'n'Roll Hall of Fame...
He influenced T-Bone Walker and BB King, who in turn influenced many blues, jump blues, R&B, and early rock players. (There was a lot of overlap amongst these styles.)
Here is Carl Hogan (with Louis Jordan) showing his Charlie Christian influence. Carl in turn influenced Chuck Berry...
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I know all that, but I'd bet the rent money that no one else who ever attended my high school does.
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