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I pick three in chronological order:
Louis Armstrong
Charlie Parker
Miles Davis
What say you?
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11-28-2010 10:18 AM
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John Coltrane.
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Miles Davis
John Coltrane
Bill Evans
Wes Montgomery
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Miles Davis
Charlie Parker
Wes Mongomery
John Coltrane
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Oh sh.... Only four!!
I would say:
Louis Armstrong.
Charlie Parker
Miles Davis
John Coltrane
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Art Tatum and Coleman Hawkins would have to be two...
If only because they were primary influences on Bird, who influenced...Everyone.
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You'd think jazz was invented by Coleman Hawkins or Charlie Parker. What about this lot for 'influential'?:
W. C. Handy
Jelly Roll Morton
King Oliver
Duke Ellington
Count Basie
Benny Goodman
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Sorry, can't just pick 3.
As simple as I can go would be:
Louis Armstrong
Duke Ellington
Lester Young
Charlie Parker
Miles Davis
John Coltrane
Kenny G.
OK, one of those was joke. Bet you can't tell which one.
Peace,
Kevin
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Originally Posted by ksjazzguitar
It's Miles, isn't it?
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Kevin it may be a joke but in the context of the OP.it may not be as daft as you think??? Good/Bad influence
Tom
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Originally Posted by JohnRoss
Peace,
Kevin
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Originally Posted by JohnRoss
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Buddy Bolden?
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Originally Posted by cosmic gumbo
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Most influencial? That is an easy one imo. Louie Armstrong is by far the most influencial jazz musician to ever live. I don't think it is debatable.
Mentions of Miles seems odd to me. Miles took jazz in more places than anyone else, but I don't hear people trying to sound like him really. He was more of a pioneer than influencer I think.
BTW, the mention of Kenny G is a riot! Thanks for the laugh this morning.
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1charlie parker
2 coltrane
3 charlie parker
4 coltrane
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Originally Posted by derek
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Originally Posted by franco6719
+1
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Originally Posted by derek
I would say that Miles has had the most influence in terms of "approach" to music than any other musician.
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Originally Posted by JohnRoss
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Originally Posted by max_power
I still see Miles as more of an inspiration than an influence, but maybe that is just semantics. Of course, in the bigger picture, all of these guys are links in the chain that gets us to where we are today. They all played their part, and as time goes by, we may see someone become more influential than Pops or Miles. I just know it won't be Kenny G.
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Louis Armstrong
Coleman Hawkins
Lester Young
Charlie Parker
John Coltrane
Why not Duke and Miles?
Duke was so unique and one of the greatest ever in American music, but few took him directly as a model - maybe because he was in a class of his own and his music was so personal. Mingus attempted to write music with the approach of the Duke, but Mingus' music was - well, Mingus and not Duke.
And Miles - IMHO he didn't invent so much himself, but was very good at picking up trends early and make the most out of them. But maybe I'm biased because I'm not so fund of Miles' music. I wonder where Miles would have been in the hieracy if Clifford Brown hadn't died so young in that car accident.Last edited by oldane; 11-30-2010 at 05:11 PM.
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Does influence have to be obvious in the present to be real? There isn't any serious classical composer out there still trying to write like Bach, but his influence is still there, dissolved into the fabric of all music. Would there have been a Beethoven without Bach? A Chopin? A Wagner? A Louis Armstrong? In other words, if we built a time machine and went back and killed Bach as a child, how much future music would be different? We can only guess, but guess we can.
The same could be said in other fields, No one writes like Shakespeare anymore. Does that mean that he's not influential. No one makes movies like Charlie Chaplin anymore and almost all of Aristotle's science has been debunked. Does that mean that they were not influential? No, because without them, the next generation would have been entirely different, and the generation after that, etc.
I think that you have to look at their affect on their generation and the one that follows, and see how that fits into the path that got us to where we are then. The fact that no one plays like Satchmo anymore is irrelevant (IMHO) since without him there would have been no Bird (not as we know him today.) And with out Bird, no Miles. Without Miles, no Trane. Etc.
Just my thoughts on how we should define "influential."
Peace,
Kevin
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Interesting that no one since Coltrane has been mentioned.
As far as I can note from the posts.
No one influential since 50 years ago? Interesting.
Oh, wait...Kenny G.
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Originally Posted by Drumbler
The Modern Jazz Quartet (at least half of it)
Miles
Ornette Coleman
Keith "the cat's on the piano again" Jarrett
and on our own instrument
John McLaughlin and, of course,
Pat 'blast his eyes' Metheny
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