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06-14-2010, 08:26 AM #1jeffstocksmusic Guest
Julian is posting a series of etudes via Youtube which you all might dig. Hopefully he will release the charts to them at some point because they have some very interesting harmonic and rhythmic twists and turns. I really think this guy is about as good as it gets.
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06-14-2010 08:26 AM
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i would rate those more as "exercises" than etudes. good workout for your fingers but not very musical. too repititious. not really jazz either.
of course i am comparing his etudes to the classical and Latin masters - which have a rich library of classical and modern studies BTW.
great idea though. i wish that there were more jazz guitar etudes.
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I agree, the lack of graded jazz etudes is a pretty glaring gap. There are so many different directions students are pulled in, many wind up with pretty spotty knowledge and ability. I think Mimi Fox came out with graded etudes, but are part of her Truefire package, so not cheap.
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do you think the lack of "jazz etudes" comes from the fear of "not improvising?"
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06-14-2010, 11:29 AM #5jeffstocksmusic Guest
To avoid any further discussion on what these are or are not, I will include something I should have included in the original post. My bad. I just found them interesting, unique, and inspiring and thought I would share. I appreciate when anyone tries to find a unique approach to the instrument.
From Julian:
My goal is to write a series of 13 etudes that serve as compositional and technical studies, highlighting new approaches and concepts I am currently exploring. It is my hope, that these pieces will offer insight into my curiosity about the inner workings of the guitar as well as provide material for other players to use as a launch pad for furthering their own development on the instrument.
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Jeff, Thanks for posting!
A couple of definitions:
An étude is an instrumental musical composition, most commonly of considerable difficulty, usually designed to provide practice material for perfecting a particular technical skill.
A short composition for a solo instrument; intended as an exercise or to demonstrate technical virtuosity.
I think his pick work in the 1st vid is remarkable and his left hand ain't too shabby either. In my opinion, I believe that one could definitely call these etudes.
Repetitive yes but so were some of Johnny Smith's etudes. To my ear this is musical in a "20th century classical" way.
The second video reminds me of some of Garoto's compositions but without the Brazilian feel. Good fingerstyle RH but not as impressive as his plectrum work.
From what I've seen and heard Lage may well have the best RH pick control of anyone since Johnny Smith.
If he decides to publish I'll certainly take a crack at them.
Regards,
monk
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06-14-2010, 12:42 PM #7jeffstocksmusic GuestJeff, Thanks for posting!
I have swapped emails w/ Julian over the last few months. He comes across as about as nice a guy as you will meet. I'd kill to get to study w/ a guy w/ that expansive a view of music.
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+1, I agree with Monk.
Definately an etude and very musical too.
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As an example - Here's a great picking etude by Steve Morse
iBreatheMusic.com - 2 Picking Exercises by Steve Morse
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Limit of 4 pictures per post forced me to split this into two.
Good exercise that I have been using since mid 80'ties
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Originally Posted by jeffstocksmusic
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Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
maybe.
the jazzer can always transcribe solos and licks and practice jazz patterns, etc so those are the alternatives to etudes. but solos can be very tough and don't involve playing a piece from start to finish.
i also think that those best suited to writing jazz etudes would probably be the best improvisers and i think that they have better things to do. the best composers could probaly not capture the jazz feel as well as the best players. the jazz solo feel doesnt sound thoroughly composed. IMO
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Originally Posted by fumblefingers
Having a graded system that was based on real solos would be wonderful. I just don't see it out there. I wish Steve Carter was on this thread. After so many years of teaching at Berklee, he might know of some, or made a stab at it himself.
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06-15-2010, 01:15 PM #14jeffstocksmusic GuestHaving a graded system that was based on real solos would be wonderful. I just don't see it out there.
I actually have the book at home and bought it after reading a review by someone on this board (Matt, maybe). It has the solos played by guitar and tenor. I never did much with it because I started private lessons around the time I got it, but it seemed a nice collection.
Mark Elf has a collection of etudes written over standard changes as well. I have the one based on Stella and it is nice.
Sorry if I am misunderstanding your post.
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Greg Fishman.
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Originally Posted by jeffstocksmusic
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Why not just start with transcribing simpler solos? Nobody is going to expect some one starting out to transcribe a Joe Pass solo, but what about like a Kenny Burrell or Grant Green Blues solo?
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Originally Posted by jseaberry
I reviewed the book on my site last year. You can read about it and hear some examples here: John Horne Guitar Studio Blog Archive Quality guitar performance, guitar lessons and more. Live from Athens Ohio Book Review: Jazz Guitar Etudes by Greg Fishman
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See!!! My memory isn't completely gone yet!!
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06-17-2010, 06:30 AM #20jeffstocksmusic Guest
Thanks James and John for jogging my memory!
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Originally Posted by John_Horne
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This new one blows my mind!
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I'm stilling struggling with etude #1. Can anyone help me with the fingering in the last bar on page 1 and the beginning of page 2?
https://www.joey-web.com/jazz/youtub...JulianLage.pdf
I know that I don't need to play exactly like him, but his playing just seems so effortless.
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your asking about the last measure on page one..in 12/8 time and the first bar on page two in 9/8 time correct ?
if so -- the way I finger it -- the chord names are how I see them..
E B G 1 3 2 Emin
D B G# 2 1 1 - barre the B G# - E7 no root
C# A E 2 4 3 A maj
B C D# 1 2 3 B7b9
I hold the first note for the whole chord giving the descending bass line a Bach feel - a nice little passage
A D E 1 4 3
G E C# 2 1 1
F# C D# 2 1 1
hope this helps
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