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OK I'm just gonna throw this out there...the debut James Gang album Yer Album with Joe Walsh, Tom Kriss and Jim Fox rocks harder than any British hard rock/heavy metal record of the time, including Cream, the Who, Jeff Beck Group and Led Zeppelin. And Joe Walsh could sing better than Jack Bruce and almost as well as the other guys.
Prove me wrong.
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07-12-2020 12:19 PM
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Uh, no. They weren't the best rock band in the US then either.
CCR put out THREE albums that same year (Bayou Country, Green River, Willy and the Poor Boys). John Fogerty was a much better singer than Walsh, and a much better songwriter. Not as a good a guitarist, admittedly. (Yet Fogerty has come up with more memorable riffs, so go figure.)
A song from each:
"Born On The Bayou" is my favorite song from "Bayou Country." ("Proud Mary" was the big hit. "Keep On Choogling" sounded more like their debut, which had a few long covers, most notably"Susie Q" and "I Put A Spell On You".)
From "Green River", an album that also contained "Bad Moon Rising", "Lodi", "Commotion" and "Wrote A Song For Everyone"
From "Willy and the Poor Boys", which also contained "Down on the Corner", "It Came Out Of The Sky" and the band's cover of "The Midnight Special"
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Well Mark those are all good songs, but A) they (CCR) don't rock harder and B) no way is CCR a tighter band that James Gang.
I always thought the deficiencies of CCR, whom I do love of course, were the rhythm section and the lack of longer solos on some songs (most of their hits) and the overlong solo on Heard It through the Grapevine. But they're kind of a different group than JG--more roots rock than boogie rock.
Jim Fox is just a really great, in the groove drummer, and Criss plays an excellent bass as well.
JG was a HARD rocking group--America's answer to Cream. And by hard I mean heavy instrumentation, tight arrangements, etc. like Cream, Bad Company, etc. And Joe Walsh sure plays his butt off on this one, some of his best among many contributions over the years.
They weren’t great songwriters, with some exceptions of course. The advantage would go to CCR there.Last edited by Doctor Jeff; 07-12-2020 at 06:55 PM.
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Originally Posted by Doctor Jeff
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Originally Posted by Doctor Jeff
Your claim is laughable. We'll leave Cream and the Who aside for now. Led Zeppelin had one of the best rock guitarists ever, leaving Joe Walsh in the dust. And like him or not (I do), Robert Plant is widely considered the best rock singer ever. Not to mention the low-key but fabulous John Paul Jones and an excellent if over-the-top drummer.
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The James Gang: Take a Look Around
Soft rock, elevator music
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Big James Gang fan here. "Walk Away" was the anthem of my too-clean-cut youth. 8-Track player in my Chevy Nova had it playing all the time!
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Originally Posted by lawson-stone
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Originally Posted by MarkRhodes
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I believe that the James Gang were originally from Ohio, but in the late 60's they were basically a local Detroit band. They were regulars at all the local teen centers and the infamous Grande Ballroom, alongside local acts the MC-5, Stooges and Amboy Dukes (Nugent). I saw them several times back then and had several conversations with Jim Fox.The main thing I remember about them is that Walsh used an Echoplex and was much more into effects than most at the time. They were very tight, but a lot tamer than most of the other Detroit bands.
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Originally Posted by BWV
Originally Posted by Phil59
I do like Led Zepp. Early on they were a little unstructured, which some people do find charming, and as you mention their drummer who is the definition of unrestrained.
I just find that type of rock more, shall we say, pretentious than what Joe Walsh and company were doing. I am really appreciating the stripped-down, no-nonsense sound of James Gang, early Bad Company, etc. these days.
Obviously commercially Led Zepp and Sabbath and the other groups were more successful. Maybe James Gang should've had better management and marketing.
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Originally Posted by Doctor Jeff
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Yeah different strokes. I like all the above groups, BTW. I'm an equal opportunity music fiend.
Having listened to a lot of Joe Walsh over the years, I find his fluidity with playing very impressive. He can and does play in almost any style. Certainly a guitarist's guitarist. Unlike some of his flashier peers, he can also cut a simple riff with the best of them.
I think it's interesting to categorize guitarists. Some of them like Page are great stylists and good songwriters. Some like Steve Vai and Joe Satriani are speed demons.
Joe is a jack-of-all-trades and one of those guys you call when you need something special for your album, cause you know he will deliver. Heck, even Keith Emerson used Joe for a session.
His credits on a compilation album: Guitars, Lead Guitar, Bass Guitar, Slide Guitar, Pedal Steel Guitar, Piano, Keyboards, Drums, Mandolin, Talkbox, Timpani, Hammond Organ, Percussion, Synthesizer, Vocals. Oh and being Ringo's brother-in-law.
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Originally Posted by Phil59
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Originally Posted by citizenk74
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Joe Walsh also gave Pete Townshend the 1959 Gretsch Chet Atkins seen in this clip.
Unfortunately, at the end of the song, Townshend does what he is famous for doing to guitars. Walsh was very displeased, according to Townshend’s autobiography, but Townshend had it rebuilt. More here.
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Originally Posted by Litterick
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Originally Posted by citizenk74
Originally Posted by Litterick
The James Gang opened for the Who, and Pete Townshend thought Walsh was an incredible guitarist and promoted them every chance he got.Last edited by Doctor Jeff; 07-15-2020 at 04:01 PM.
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