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Originally Posted by Lobomov
It appears you're saying that when Are You Experienced was released it contain guitar technique innovations (e.g. use of distortion), that others were not doing at the time.
As for jazz genius; not sure there are many to begin with and yea, at the end of the day, such classifications are meaningless (just like saying Hendrix was one). To me what is important for a DEAD musician is what they left behind that the living can listen to (this includes written sheet music). This is why I asked for Hendrix fans to turn me on to just one song that they feels represents why they have such respect for Hendrix. I'm very open to being exposed to something I'm unaware of.
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03-19-2019 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Hep To The Jive
He had the ideas and the intuition though.
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I don’t know if it’s Hendrix’s ‘best song’, but a track I always associate with him (and still really like) is Voodoo Child.
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Originally Posted by jameslovestal
50 years down the road, it's very hard to grasp how revolutionary he was because his techniques and sounds have become part of the the baseline sound of so much music, and because he's so widely imitated. I'm a little too young to grasp it directly (and I'm pretty old), but I know people who saw him in clubs before he was famous who describe the experience as basically shattering their sense of reality. There are interviews with people like Mike Bloomfield, Pete Townshend, Clapton, McLaughlin, etc., where they say they heard him in some club before AYE even came out, and it was so far beyond what they could do or understand that it almost made them want to quit playing music. You might not see this based on your limited familiarity with his music and his place in music history, but it's there.
John
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Originally Posted by Tal_175
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My belief is that Jerry Reed (far from jazz with far too many open strings but not here) was a very interesting guitar player ...
This is a transcription (this U-tuber has made enormous efforts to post transcriptions, mainly jazz)
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Originally Posted by christianm77
To equate musical virtuosity with musical genius just misses the point. It's kinda like people who think the faster a musician plays, the better he (or she) is.
I heard a rocket guy once say, "All speed, no vector." Same thing seems to apply to a lot of music. Speed and virtuosity seem to be easy marks to hang terms like genius or whatever; they're much easier to point to than as christianm77 noted -- ideas and the intuition.
Consider what Einstein's friend Dr. János Flesch said about his playing, "“There are many musicians with much better technique. But none, I believe, who ever played with more sincerity or deeper feeling.”
Ideas, Intuition, Sincerity, Feeling -- This may be Einstein, or it may be Hendrix. It may be Monk, or Bird. And while it may have nothing to with specifically defining genius, I suspect they're traits that set certain people apart from much of their peers.
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Originally Posted by christianm77
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Originally Posted by jameslovestal
How much a genius supposed to be universally loved, that would be a good question. Like Mozart maybe one when it comes to music. I know you can call Charlie Parker a genius, but he's far from universally loved. And so are many jazz greats. If you don't like jazz, you don't like jazz, it doesn't matter. Even though, it's very hard to find anyone who is not charmed by Louis Armstrong. And he's been called genius as much as Parker.
So if you can look down on rock'n'roll, keep telling yourself jazz is a higher art form, but there maybe a Classical guy next to you who has the same attitude toward jazz- I've experienced it way too many times.
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Hendrix’ 3 estate-approved posthumous albums have quite a lot of interesting stuff either live or live in the studio. (Hear That Train A-Comin’, for instance, plus long jam with Lonnie Youngblood, Georgia Blues). Most bootlegs were recorded under poor conditions and are not representative of his effect in person. The videos out there give a hint of his power as a live performer.
Also I have a fondness for Little Miss Strange. Even though it’s a slight song and not Jimi’s vocals, the guitar parts are incredible—I think he throws every guitar effect and riff known to guitardom at the time into that song. If you want to learn about what the guitar was capable of in 1969, listen to that song.
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Originally Posted by Hep To The Jive
As the OP of this thread, I only meant to start a relative discussion of four influential and popular guitarists. Whether they are geniuses or "the best" is debatable and irrelevant. But they should not be dismissed simply because they may not have put in as many thousands of hours and labored in equal obscurity as those with a supposedly higher calling, namely jazz and classical musicians.
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Originally Posted by Hep To The Jive
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Originally Posted by Hep To The Jive
John A. provided what I was looking for. Now I just need to make the effort to check out his recommendations.
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I can't think of a well lauded guitarist, even musician, who saw Jimi play and didn't, at some point (if not immediately) claim he knocked their socks off. Whether it was Jeff Beck or EC or Larry Coryell or John McLaughlin or Miles .... everyone who watched him play came away from the experience (pun intended) with a huge appreciation for JH' musicianship.
For the thread as a whole, there is no "Vs" in music.Last edited by CarlD; 03-20-2019 at 07:05 PM.
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