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Originally Posted by destinytot
John
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07-12-2017 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by John A.
There's nothing wrong with propaganda, per se. And I'm all for clever wordplay. I notice its creator also coined the acronym Black Intelligence Test of Cultural Homogeneity (BITCH). That was in the '70s.
Now, to the ideology.
Across the pond, 1971 saw the publication of How the West Indian Child Is Made Educationally Subnormal in the British School System: The Scandal of the Black Child in Schools in Britain.
It explained that British schools had a pervasive bias toward treating white children as normal, which led to black children being labelled as "educationally subnormal" (learning-disabled):
"The [black] children are therefore made neurotic about their race and culture. Some become behaviour problems as a result. They become resentful and bitter at being told their language is second-rate, and their history and culture is non-existent; that they hardly exist at all, except by the grace of whites." (my use of bold)
Depth of feeling over the struggle for social justice led to ideological possession, to radical extremism and to murder - which is what the author of the above quote was convicted of (twice):
Invasion of Grenada - Wikipedia
Edit: I'm against separatism and in favour of integration - and I also believe in code-switching.Last edited by destinytot; 07-12-2017 at 05:21 PM. Reason: not only charged, but convicted - twice
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Hey we gonna have another debate about
race or what ?
Never mind ....
What are your fave Stevie tunes to play ?
and why ?
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Has to be " Isn't she lovely" such a wonderful melodic and rhythmic landscape
Will
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Originally Posted by pingu
I found it amusing when Joel wrote "You make me feel GOOD'S EVERYTHING'. Maybe that's some kind of ebonics I don't get." (My use of bold.)
I didn't say so at the time, but I also thought it a little disingenuous.
And (privately) I attributed that to 'tip-toeing around the tulips' to a 'politically-correct' tune.
So I called it a "silly made-up word." Which it is (made up by a serious and committed social scientist - and not a serious and committed linguist).
I think John A summed it up well:
How to act on this information is a whole other set of questions
I'm a linguist myself - and a great admirer of Columbia Professor of Linguistics John McWhorter.
The Case for Black English | The New Yorker
I went further than "silly" by claiming that the word was "spawned by misguided ideology".
At the time, I was thinking of excessive zeal for (illusory) self-esteem - but I raised the spectre of Revolution (and did a little tip-toeing of my own in my previous post).
Wish I'd simply posted this to start with - and to be done with it;
Originally Posted by pingu
My favourite is probably Ma Cherie Amour - just because it speaks to me (probably due to the pop orchestration). And because of Stevie's exuberant joy.Last edited by destinytot; 07-13-2017 at 04:47 AM.
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Sa da tay....
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Originally Posted by Stevebol
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Not sure what this has to do with Stevie, but one of the greatest movies ever...and Martin Sheen!
Sine Yo Piddy on the Runny Kine!Last edited by unknownguitarplayer; 07-13-2017 at 02:18 PM.
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Health is wealth:
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Fave track on the album:
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[QUOTE]
Originally Posted by destinytot
with a hipper first letter ....
My Cherie Amour is wonderful
Do you you dig 'for once in my life' too ?
'Scuse my ivoryonics ...Last edited by pingu; 07-13-2017 at 08:18 PM.
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[QUOTE=pingu;787775]
That's cool DT I just wished I'd used a name
with a hipper first letter ....
My Cherie Amour is wonderful
Do you you dig 'for once in my life' too ?
'Scuse my ivoryonics ...
I find that childish, pathetic and irritating. I avoid the buffoons who engage in it.
And that's about authenticity of experience.
Nothing pathetic about being authentic.
For me, Stevie is the perfect embodiment of the idea of being in a bad place - and making it better. That - for me - is what 'jazz' is about. (Dig? )
And For Once In My Life is the perfect anthem:
Last edited by destinytot; 07-14-2017 at 06:30 AM.
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Originally Posted by pingu
It wasn't meant to be a debate (I started that thread), just an important topic that needn't be swept under the rug. Judging from pages and pages of responses, it resonated w/lots of people, some of whom told touching personal stories. Anyway, w/o my blessing or asking me the former moderator first changed the name, then closed it.
Whatever. Yeah, let's get back to Stevie...
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SW does some interesting things with chords moving in whole steps. In Golden Lady;
Ebmaj7 / Fm7 / Gm7 / Am7 - D7 /
In That Girl he combines it with pedal point;
C/Gb __ D/Gb __ E/GbLast edited by Stevebol; 07-14-2017 at 10:58 PM.
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[QUOTE=destinytot;787838]
Originally Posted by pingu
So that's OK I hope
and Yes I do dig authenticity ...
I'm only speaking for me , and it wasn't
intended as a windup either
I have great respect for you man , I dig your
honesty and giving nature
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Originally Posted by fasstrack
It was good
I got a lot out of it ,
its just that we'd kind of done it
Carry on
What's anyone think of 'As'
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[QUOTE=pingu;788050]Yeah it resonated with me too FT ,
It was good
I got a lot out of it ,
its just that we'd kind of done it
Carry on
What's anyone think of 'As'[/QUOTE]
"As" is my all time favorite Stevie song. Most folks do not realize that there are only two voices on the tracks, Stevie and Mary Lee Whitney. They did not do any looping to get the background vocals to sound like a choir. The two of them sang their respective lines, over-dubbing at Crystal Sounds Studio until Mr. Wonder had the sound he was after. Herbie Hancock played the piano solo...in one take.
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[QUOTE=Gitfiddler;788059]
Originally Posted by pingu
That choir sound is killer
Gonna listen to the pno solo again now !
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This one gets in my head frequently
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Originally Posted by destinytot
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Originally Posted by fasstrack
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Originally Posted by EGad
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Originally Posted by Stevebol
That minor chord in whole-steps thing is one of his oldest and favorite devices. He used going down in Girl Blue and going UP in Visions. And the melody in Girl Blue is so simple: the 9th, root, and 5th of the chords descending.
Like Beethoven supposedly wrote all over his scores: 'SIMPLIFY----SIMPLIFY'...
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Originally Posted by destinytot
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Originally Posted by destinytot
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An interview with Henry Robinett
Yesterday, 08:49 PM in Everything Else