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Originally Posted by pamosmusic
I don't know what it depends on - probably talent.One person has to play it 100 times and the other only, for example-20 times.
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09-15-2023 03:38 PM
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Play the rhythms of a famous solo and pick your own notes.
Try Sandu by Clifford Brown bc you don't have to make the changes, just play blues.
Maybe play a bit of the solo too, won't hurt.
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A great deal can be learned about phrasing by listening to and learning some Clifford Brown. I don't try to force myself to play like that though. I learn a few heads, play along, listen a lot and try to let it sink in.
I've also done my share of all kinds of rhythmic exercises along the line. It all helps.
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Originally Posted by PatrickWD
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For me, I find that staring at the fingerboard can cause me to play in a very “robotic” manner; very unmusical, especially when I’m learning a new tune. The danger for me is that this will become a bad habit.
My solution is to practice a phrase, once I know where my fingers are supposed to go, with my eyes closed. I find that this works very well to allow me to connect emotionally with the phrase and get inside it.
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Besides singing, internal melody building, there is such thing as 'question vs answer', which came from the blues and archaic singing. Developing such phrasing is monumentally hard, as you have to expand your vocablurary more and more. Plus, to be original you are to 'forget' some primitive stories as 'Hi / Bye', 'Mon amie... / Leave now!'
Ideally, you follow your instinct of storyteller and include happy end at the end.
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Originally Posted by Chris236
Nice motivic development idea. I intend to over-systematize that kind of thing.
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Aren't we sort of diverging a bit from what phrasing is and how to practice it? I feel the last few contributions (or maybe more, I haven't looked recently at the rest of this thread) are more like improvisation exercises rather than phrasing. I think phrasing is the 'how' rather than the 'what' i.e. it's how you play a line - that is to say, where you put the accents and slurs in and your sense of swing, also dynamics etc.
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If I had to play in 5/4 then I think I'd be practicing some phrasing. With 4/4 or 3/4, not a problem, comes naturally.
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Originally Posted by James W
Like articulation — I think it’s certainly an element of phrasing but also lots of ways to practice it (been kind of obsessed with some of them lately).
Rhythm too.
I guess when I’m talking about practicing phrasing, I’m usually thinking of the basket of stuff that’s leftover when I’ve practiced all the other stuff. Phrase length. When to start or end an idea. You mention swing feel, or maybe time feel. Those things.
All the other stuff is phrasing too though, probably.
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Originally Posted by James W
What you’re referring to is articulation, which can be important to a phrase, but isn’t the phrase itself…..which can be defined as a complete musical idea, framed with space.
you may notice that the excercises i eluded to address both the idea AND the space.
enjoy!Last edited by Chris236; 09-18-2023 at 02:13 PM.
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Originally Posted by pamosmusic
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Originally Posted by James W
What you are describing is how the term is used in a more classical music setting, but in jazz the term phrasing usually has a much wider meaning.
I see it as focusing on the relationship and placement of musical phrases. Where do you play, where do you rest, what is the melodic curve between phrases, how do one phrase relate to the previous one etc.
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I wonder if you discuss the same way when it's about cooking an egg, drinking a glass of water, peeing, etc..
Are you teaching in a University or something like that ?
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I generally assume that folks who drop in on threads about practicing and disparage practicing are absolutely jaw dropping musicians with nothing of their own to work on.
Just for whatever that’s worth.
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I wonder if you discuss the same way when it's about cooking an egg, drinking a glass of water, peeing, etc..
Are you teaching in a University or something like that ?
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Originally Posted by Lionelsax
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Originally Posted by Chris236
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Originally Posted by Chris236
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Originally Posted by Lionelsax
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Originally Posted by Chris236
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Originally Posted by Lionelsax
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Originally Posted by Chris236
Speaking for myself, that was why I started the thread.
Shrug.
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