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Originally Posted by James W
Thats probably why I’m so obsessed with changing the pitch levels and interval leaps and things like that. That’s kind of how I’m used to playing, so even when I’m starting with someone else’s line, I see it that way.
And what’s your experience with writing etudes? Never quite hit with me but I have a buddy (saxophone) who does it all the time. All. The. Time.
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06-09-2023 11:34 AM
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So I was checking out the Barney Kessel licks page and was getting a little frustrated because I wasn't hearing Barney in them. So I went and found a lick from Barney I liked. I'll try some variations and post later.
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I do endlessly practice short, simple, easy to remember one bar licks/riffs that fit my style. A lick that I'll know I'll be able to utilise immediately in many keys and chord types. If the lick is too complex for me, I'll never remember it.
Repetition, Repetition, Repetition, the three R's.
This sort of thing:
Last edited by GuyBoden; 06-14-2023 at 05:02 AM.
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Originally Posted by GuyBoden
Are you all familiar with the concept of reduced melody? I think that can go for licks and lines too. The important notes become the general contour, and we can fill in whatever other information we want. Or not.
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Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
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Originally Posted by pamosmusic
Take the melody...
Remove any repeated notes
Remove anything that's a passing chromatic
Remove any enclosures around "key notes."
Try to get every bar down to a whole note or 2 halfs.
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Originally Posted by pamosmusic
But I thought I'd share this with you, a few hours' work. My improv on 'Alice In Wonderland' just sounded naff so I thought I'd write something to bounce ideas off, and get something going. It's a beautiful tune. I guess you could call this an etude, I mean in reality you'd want to leave more pauses than I do here, but that's because like I say, I have something utilising chromaticism, altered scales, sequences, leaps, triplet arpeggios etc. which I can then modify or leave stuff out of etc. Still need to write something for the B section and return of the A section to make this a full chorus, but this is enough to get going for now.
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Number 4. Barney Kessel style...a good bit slower than on the record
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Chromatic Lick Everyone Should Know (and you probably already do)
It's just running up chromatically from a b3 to the 5th. I think of it as the saxophone lick.
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This is what I was doing in post 13.
First time with Ashampoo recorder
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Alright the final installment of That One Lick From Gone With What Wind.
I have a few more ideas but they’re a little out there, so I’m nearing tapped out.
This is just me playing and using that lick—or some version of it—as often as humanly possible.
Anyway …
… I will absolutely be posting more stuff, but rest assured it won’t be in nearly such exhaustive detail.
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Originally Posted by GuyBoden
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Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
Also … I’m curious if you can say more about why you’d leave that first four bars alone? Not having worked on this lick, I think I can say pretty safely that I would’ve left the last four bars alone for a while and had the first four for breakfast.
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Y'know, mut gut reaction to those first 4 bars was that they were perfect as-is. But ill certainly mess with them. Kinda want to find a way that isn't just "adding more notes" though.
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A chromatic lick in the other direction. This one reminds me of Jerry Garcia.
Last edited by fep; 06-11-2023 at 01:06 PM.
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A la Jimmy Raney.
Yes, there are still great things to be said with the major scale.
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Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
(Was that the one about 1.04 just before he speeds up?)
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Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
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Today's lick has both the ascending and descending chromatic bit of my previous two licks over a ii V I
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So this is something a little different but I’ve been working on this at the suggestion of a friend recently, and the idea came up recently on another thread here (the Why do I still suck thread). Anyway … not working on a lick, exactly but working on the rhythm of a lick.
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Here's another short riff/lick in my style:
Yes, the frets look wonky, because it's a fan fret guitar I built recently.
Last edited by GuyBoden; 06-14-2023 at 06:01 AM.
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The problem was trying to find a simple but effective lick out of any number of them. There are innumerable transcriptions and any Charlie Parker lick would have done. But I didn't see the point of posting stuff anyone can find.
As a matter of fact, there are YouTube vids of multiple Parker licks and multiple bebop licks by other players. The thing about bebop licks is they're quite generic; one could almost fit them in anywhere. You can do that with bluegrass too.
But, in the case of a lot of the other players, their licks, extracted from solos, were good but obviously suited to, and played for, a particular tune at the time. So the question was whether they're what we want here? So if we don't mind that sort of thing, and I'm not sure about it, I thought I may as well provide my own.
These licks are from an old version of Stella I did some time ago (so no self-conscious lick playing) over the part in the A section that goes
Fm7 - Bb7 - EbM7 - Ab7
I thought that was a fairly useful selection. Make of it what you will... if you can actually be bothered with it at all, that is. You might be able to get some ideas from it, you never know. Again, apologies for the midi, it's just not human, is it?
Last edited by ragman1; 06-15-2023 at 08:45 PM.
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Instead of giving midi examples, it is better to play your favorite lick and make a musical notation.
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I've already done that twice.
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Originally Posted by MarkRhodes
I'm totally 100% for learning licks, but I don't understand why so many think learning a whole solo is not productive. For a genius like Jimmy Bruno, I can see his point; for a non-genius like me, I like seeing a big-picture, the architecture, of a player's expression as well as the building blocks.
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