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Maybe it's something like this:
I know I don't know anything...contra...I don't know anything but I have the most to say.
Maybe it makes sense.
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11-15-2021 04:38 PM
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I've been able to figure out what I can do...I'm also pretty confident I can get a beginner to my level in much less time than it took me.
But I'm well aware of what I can't do too...better I get, the further away "good" seems...the goalposts keep moving further away.
Oh well. I never have to bored again, for the rest of my life.
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Originally Posted by Christian Miller
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Where do people find lead sheets for these tunes? Or does everyone transcribe everything?
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Most of them come up easily on google images. A lot of them are in the Real Book. Beyond that, there are other volumes of the real book and other fake books that you can buy or bootleg.
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Google:
'--- (insert name of tune) --- lead sheet'
and look under Images.
So for Jordu I got this. Then click on the first one and work your way through. Don't necessarily take the first one, be selective (they can appear in various keys). Also check on YouTube for backing tracks, they normally give the right chords in the most popularly used key.
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Finally got this one done. I find this to be quite a challenging tune. Not to make the changes (changes are changes), but to play a coherent solo that doesn't parrot the harmonic rhythm of the head and has some flow to it.
And since I acknowledge my limitations and rate my efforts poorly that must mean I'm high-performing and capable. But if I say I'm high-performing and capable, that means I'm actually lousy. OK, I'm lousy, which means I'm good, which means I'm mediocre, which means I'm above average, which means I'm subpar KABOOM!
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Originally Posted by Dutchbopper
It can also be added that it all has a virtual character.
And most of the participants have little or no experience of playing jazz live.
Can it be called jazz at all?
Just kidding...
Have a nice day
Kris
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Not one of your best, to be honest, John, but it is pretty difficult. I managed to make it fit by doing it slowly but at speed I couldn't have done it, and I've tried a lot.
The thing with those dominants, going from major to minor as they do, means you can't get simple lines off the cuff that fit easily. So I tried only using notes that left out the 3rd which was hard in itself. I like to just let go and play but this required deliberate positioning and that's not my thing at all.
So then I thought let's just rush at it, no one'll notice, just blast through it, but that didn't work either. Maybe my ear's too sensitive but it didn't work for me.
I looked at various piano transcriptions and those players were doing it very well, good lines that neatly avoided the pitfalls. Same with some sax players. But guitar-wise I don't know.
I the end I more or less gave up because I just couldn't figure it, and I know others must be having the same problem.
So I don't know the answer. And those endless descending dominants become very repetitive too... it's just not an easy piece although listening to the head makes it sound pretty straightforward.
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The only other guitar version I’m familiar with is Barney Kessel:
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Originally Posted by grahambop
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11-16-2021, 06:20 AM #62Dutchbopper GuestOriginally Posted by kris
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Originally Posted by Dutchbopper
Thanks for the link.
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Originally Posted by Christian Miller
It is very fun to listen to your duo version.
I like your jazz phrasing.
There are no random notes in the musical lines you operate.
Conscious playing.
Keep swinging.
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DB is 100% right.
Without mastering the basics of jazz language, tunes may seem difficult.
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11-16-2021, 07:02 AM #66Dutchbopper GuestOriginally Posted by kris
DB
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Absolutely.
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Originally Posted by Dutchbopper
That's true, that's why I like to transcribe.
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Originally Posted by grahambop
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I think there are a lot of good ideas in RunningBeagle's clip. Would be good to put the best stuff together in a shorter clip, IMO.
Kris, that was some nice phrasing right there. Very musical.
Jeff always such a great swing feel, the rest just flows from that. Great.
I personally don't need no "connoisseur" to tell me what's good music and what ain't, regardless of genre, and it's a good idea to remain humble and not take anything for granted. And always watch out for those bum notes
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Originally Posted by Dutchbopper
Is there a reason why they are so much more common in earlier jazz tunes? (I'm thinking Nice Work if You Can Get It. Lulu's Back in Town etc) Maybe this is it. The older players were more melodic/bluesy. Lester Young doesn't play half of the changes... And some of this carried over into the bop era. People now are trained to find them difficult I guess.
As Peter Bernstein puts it - chords aren't your children, it's OK not to spend time with all of them...
BTW I always think of D7 or Ab7 in Cm as the blues chord. Brownie seems to feel the same, learning into those F#'s...Last edited by Christian Miller; 11-16-2021 at 08:35 AM.
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Originally Posted by kris
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11-16-2021, 08:25 AM #73Dutchbopper GuestOriginally Posted by Peter C
DB
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Originally Posted by John A.
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Originally Posted by Christian Miller
7 ... 6 ... She's gonna blow! Emergency evacuation protocol ... I need more time ....6 ... 5 Get outta there now ... I need more time ... 5 ... 4 ... 3 ...2 ... Sir, Dunning-Kruger has been debunked. It's just regression to the mean. 1 second .... Click. (Cue computerized voice) Cerebral self-destruct deactivated ... You did, it sir!
Oh, thanks Christian. I appreciate that.
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