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We used to bust this out at funk Jams, to break up the monotony of too many tunes with one chord vamps LOL. Anyway, here's a quick hack through it.
Cheers!
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09-27-2021 12:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Jazzism
You do well with modern phrases.
Building tension in improvisation involves playing inside and outside.
If you had played inside from time to time/f.ex be-bop line/, it would be more appropriate to play outside.
Solo would then take on a more emotional expression.
As a listener-recipient, I like playing where the proportions between inside and outside playing are important.
Then it arouses the interest of the audience.
This is not a criticism, but my feelings.
Anyway - Your playing is at a high level and no problmes with Donna Lee.wow
Cheers
ps.
Perhaps I am confused with this outside playing, but your phrases sound like that.
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I'm glad that someone /Jazzism/ finally showed up who doesn't complain about Donna Lee's head.
From my many years of experience as a jazz musician, I know that all musicians who have dealt with Donna Lee have moved to a higher level of playing and perception of music.
This is an investment for the future.
Keep it up.
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Originally Posted by kris
lots of running scales, and quite relentless 8th notes, use of honeysuckle motif etc. Rhythm is actually quite ‘square’ almost. DL sounds like an etude in bop language almost; ‘here’s how to play the changes’. Miles at this point kind of solos like this too.
Parker did not write anything I can think of that sounded like this. His compositions tend to be a lot more rhythmically varied and less ‘scaley’ to my ears.
If you can find me a Parker tune that sounds as much like Donna Lee as Little Willie Leaps does, I’ll reconsider! But definitely in camp Miles…Last edited by Christian Miller; 09-27-2021 at 03:36 AM.
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Originally Posted by Triple_Jazz
Generaly it is alto sax music/I mean Parker's takes/.Transcribing for gutar is a big challenge.Guitar is completly different than alt sax.Parker's music is so deeply rooted in jazz that we probably wouldn't be here without it.I once watched a movie based on this musician's biography, I highly recommend it.
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Originally Posted by Christian Miller
Maybe colleagues from the US are more knowledgeable about the subject.
Best
Kris
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Originally Posted by kris
Anyway Little Willie Leaps is a fun one to learn. Based on ‘All God’s Children Got Rhythm’ (from the Marx Brothers ‘A Day at the Races’ IIRC) which is a really fun tune tune that doesn’t get played much, but a favourite of Bud and therefore Barry Harris
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There are also Miles bebop heads that don’t sound that much like DL - Dig and Old Milestones spring to mind
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Originally Posted by Christian Miller
Best
Kris
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Originally Posted by Christian Miller
Dig/ chords similar to Sweet Georgia Brown/.
Old Mlistones-it was here on Virtual jam...:-)
Best
kris
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Sippin’ at Bells is another Miles tune that reminds me a bit of Donna Lee, it’s like a continuous string of notes with very few rests.
I’m a bit busy this week so may not have a chance to do DL. I did learn it years ago, I find the changes easy enough but the head is probably a bit rusty by now.
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Originally Posted by grahambop
Its so weird isn’t it that his early tunes are so notey, given he became the arch minimalist? They do say the road of excess leads to the palace of wisdom. Also I guess he may have had a realisation that he was never going to be as good a bop trumpeter as Clifford? Who knows.
I went through a phase of learning all the bop heads I could inspired by David Baker’s advice that if you learn 50 bop heads you have all the language you ever need. (Plus you win at the all important game of ‘tiresome jam session vibing by calling obscure Parker heads.’) I never got to 50, but learned a lot.
The thing is unless I play that stuff ALL THE TIME especially on gigs, it disappears from my rep; true of any tune but it’s a lot easier to wing a GASB standard lol. And I basically never play those tunes on gigs. Most jazzers on London who are not bop specialists don’t know more than a handful and even the boppers often know a rep specific to their particular group of guys they gig with. So they don’t get called. No doubt different in NYC, but that’s NYC for you.
OTOH Donna Lee is one that often comes up at gigs (even trad jazz gigs lol, bored Dixieland horn players often play it on Indiana), so I try to keep that one in a reasonable state of repair. It’s tough to find time to practice everything, for sure. I’m not doing much practice at all at the moment for various reasons, which is not ideal, but that’s life. I’m also not currently playing any straight ahead pickup gigs for some reason.Last edited by Christian Miller; 09-27-2021 at 05:08 AM.
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Christian +1
Look...Parker on tenor sax.I mean on recording.:-)
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It's interesting that when you listen to Parker's solos, you can hear phrasing from Donna Lee.
And these are completely different songs.
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Here’s how I play it. Attempt at 200 at the end if you want to skip
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Originally Posted by Christian Miller
I learned quite a few of the difficult bop tunes but as you say, unless I practise them regularly I can’t play them without some kind of train wreck. They are just not naturally configured for the guitar, I think. But good for your technique to learn them, no question.
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Peterson, very nice playing -- smooth and fluent, I wonder if studying this tune contributed to the way you play.
Also I really like how the guitar sounds -- many acoustics tend to be harshly bright for this kind of lines.
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Originally Posted by Peterson
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Warning...unreliable content.
I read somewhere (& somebody here better know this or I'll have to go down a rabbit hole & find it), that Miles turned a Fats Navarro line into DL as a critisism of Navarro's playing..
Solo at 1.35 if y'all can't wait...
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Yes I’ve read something about that before. There is a reference to it here:
Jazz Standards Songs and Instrumentals (Donna Lee)
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Originally Posted by dot75
so who is a composer of Donna Lee?...oops...
Very interesting...:-)
“Donna Lee” was first recorded in May, 1947, by Charlie Parker’s All Stars
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Originally Posted by ragman1
Peterson has analyzed the head of Donna Lee very well / each phrase /.
Great, very nice head played/200 bpm/.
The next step is to play the solos at the same tempo.
Great work!!!
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Originally Posted by kris
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Originally Posted by Peterson
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Originally Posted by Christian Miller
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