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Ron -
You haven't heard my backwards outside version yet...
But seriously, in themselves the chords aren't that hard, it's playing coherent lines over the whole thing. Not so easy.
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08-27-2021 01:43 PM
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I think you'll have to do without me on this one - way over my modest skill set. See you next week hopefully....
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Originally Posted by ragman1
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I think the changes are difficult if you try to chase them...this is a tune to use touchstones with...
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Actually I think you can play this kind of like it's "Wave" except maybe with a blues feeling...
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I hadn't played this tune before. I spent some time listening to various versions yesterday. I thought the best one was probably the Miles/Bird version, which I guess is the first recording?
TBH, not that anybody asked, I don't feel anything for, or from, this tune.
I see the vaguely V-im between the E and the Ab- and I get that the Ab- becomes the ii of a ii V that moves to Cm rather than resolving in Gb - and that you could see the Db7 as leading to Cm. Or as the tritone of a Gdom leading to Cm. Then it goes from Cm to C#m then a ii V in A to a ii V in Bb.
The ii V's moving around in the bridge seem arbitrary.
I get that there is, arguably, some logic to the tune, but I can't feel it. It feels, to me, like they wrote it by putting 2 and 4 bar phrases in a hat and pulling them out at random.
Since Bird, Miles and many other players liked the tune well enough to record it, I'll cheerfully accept that I'm not appreciating the artistry that is within it.
Which brings me to my point. Maybe a particular player can't be expected to feel the spirit of just any tune. Maybe some things are going to speak to you and others not.
I ended up doing two videos. The first one is just about working out a fingering for the melody. I spent some time with it and got it, sort of, up to about 145. It was first recorded at around 160. My approach to bar 5 is based on what I learned from Warren Nunes and might be of interest. EDIT: Later, I found it easier to play the C# which begins the last phrase in the bridge, with the index finger. But, that phrase remains the ceiling for me -- I can't play the tune any faster than I can play that phrase.
One thing I noticed, the versions I liked best had the best swing feel. That's hard to nail when you're struggling to play the notes somewhere near the right moment.
The second one is an attempt at improvising on a tune I shouldn't play because I can't understand/feel/appreciate the harmony.
Last edited by rpjazzguitar; 08-28-2021 at 04:28 PM.
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Originally Posted by rpjazzguitar
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Well sorry to disappoint with my tune choice…Some were tired of the same type of tunes, I guess this one is a bit too much. Maybe go for the modal Milestones instead!
Last edited by Ronstuff; 08-27-2021 at 07:16 PM.
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Originally Posted by Ronstuff
I shared my reaction to the tune, but I think it was an excellent choice, because it illustrates some things that we haven't yet encountered in this series.
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Originally Posted by ragman1
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Originally Posted by Ronstuff
I think the elephant in the room is the abrupt cord changes and thoughtfully navigating through bars 4-6, not everyone is going to have the right tools to deal with it. Again, very healthy to take a bite out of it and I’m glad I did.
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BTW the real jewel of this tune is the gorgeous melody, I really love the way the head sits on the tune.
And if you’re feeling ambitious enough you can play both Milestones at the same time!!
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Originally Posted by Triple_Jazz
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Originally Posted by grahambop
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Despite having heard this lots of times I can’t even hum the melody properly. The form of the it is counterintuitive to me. However, and I’m probably missing something, I don’t have any major issues with the harmony. I’ve only improvised with iReal as I don’t feel the form yet but I’m finding my way ok.
All in all, a challenge and a fun tune
edit: just to be clear. I don’t really understand the harmony but when I play lines over it it doesn’t sound weird to me. Yet.Last edited by Peterson; 08-28-2021 at 04:46 AM.
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Originally Posted by rpjazzguitar
Originally Posted by Ronstuff
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I got to know this tune in the early 1980's.
Then I bought the books of Miles Davis with vinyl records from Aebersold/Play-A-Long, Vol. 7: Miles Davis/.
I have been practicing tunes from this album for several years.It is not an easy tune/old Milestones/ as some people think.
Good Luck
kris
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Originally Posted by kris
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Originally Posted by PMB
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Originally Posted by Ronstuff
It is true that it's bloody awkward and, as Peterson said, rather counter-intuitive, but that's the point and it's what one makes of it; it's not the fault of the challenge. There's always the opt-out clause. Anyway, I bet after a week we'll have gotten into it and the next one'll be tame in comparison.
I'm not soft-soaping you or trying to make you feel better (yuk), I really mean it. Played the right way it can be great. So it's up to us. No self-recrimination, please. Workmen and tools, etc.
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Anyway, I have the theory that the brain is infinitely adaptable. If the harmony is all over the place so can the lead be, and the ear will accept it. So - any notes that are actually in tune with the chord are entirely coincidental :-)
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no comment!!!
Last edited by kris; 08-28-2021 at 08:25 AM. Reason: mistake
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I thought I could get some inspiration by googling ‘milestones (old)’ but I’m not sure it’s going to help much.
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Originally Posted by grahambop
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Originally Posted by ragman1
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