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This week, a gospel infused "soul jazz" classic, the blues, but not a 12 bar...
I'll kick us off as usual, and comments are always cool with me.
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03-04-2021 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
I have to follow that?
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I accept your challenge, Mr. B. I will try to get something posted either tonight or tomorrow.
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Thoughts on this tune...
My introduction to it. Played this in a jam band I was in from the age of like 16 to 21. Never dawned on me they just made it a 12 bar minor blues for the solos, which I guess is cheating, but I don't care.
My favorite current version...man I love Gregory Porter. Though his delivery, in its more subdued parts, really makes me wish Lou Rawls had done this at some point, but to the best of my knowledge, he didn't.
See also the incomparable Nina Simone.
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It's too difficult for me
(Some v. nice stuff in there, Mr. B)
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It's a challenge. But if there is a will...
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Originally Posted by ragman1
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I'm not saying this is gonna be enjoyable, but it sure is... different
That lyric was about my general feelings of being a "roaming teacher" even though my primary role is not to teach the kiddos, not really COVID 19 (though that is stressful stuff). I want us all going back safe, but--like most teachers--I really miss the students. Not gonna go politics here. Just gonna say, I know my work and I see the work of others. Being a teacher, even before C19, is hard work if you want to do right by the students. And the majority of the teachers I speak to want to do right by the students...
Anyway...
Sometimes... you need a sense of humor. I blame Kris for this oneLast edited by PickingMyEars; 03-05-2021 at 01:41 AM.
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My semi has been feeling a bit neglected of late, and I felt like switching it up a bit. Maybe later in the week I'll do one straightahead .
The Butterfield version was my introduction to this one, too. Bloomfield is definitely one of the biggest (if not the biggest) influence on my playing, though probably not terribly evident here. To keep the form straight, I keep the Oscar Brown lyrics in my head. Hold it steady right there where I hit it, well I reckon that oughta get it ...
John
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The Yamaha Pacifica 012, Zoom PX5D (Tweed 2x12), into the Crate GFX15. This is the gear I usually use to practice with IRealPro.
I noticed that MrB added what I'll call transition chords, which sounded great. Here's hoping that he'll be kind enough to explain how he learned to do that.
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An absolute favourite of mine that I had the pleasure to play with some great musicians live a couple of years ago. Thanks Jeff and you got it off to a good start.
John: rockin' version I like it a lot.
rp: very relaxed - enjoyed it.
Same with me here: I first ever heard the tune by the B.B.B. decades back.Last edited by TOMMO; 03-05-2021 at 06:17 AM.
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Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
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It doesn't matter what you play, but it matters how you play.
It seems to be an easy piece and requires concentration in leading phrases.
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John, love the attitude and tone of your take. Definitely feel a bit of BBB in there.
Rp, great swinging take, nice lines, was great to hear you singing along with them a bit too.
I'm not sure what you mean by "transition chords" though?
Picking, I'll have to listen tonight, work firewall blocks soundcloud and my phone's speaker is messed up.
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Only so much you can do with it...
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Originally Posted by PickingMyEars
I like your singing.Intersting voice and feel.Very nice sounding guitar.
Best
Kris
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Definitely interesting... the melody went out of my range quick and I didn't quite realize that I sang it before.
Used to be in chorus in high school. USED to. Totally out of practice now, but all that singing did help me with my musicianship.
Kris, you are spot on with the "concentration" comment. With pieces like this where everything hovers around the same key center and their isn't a ton of harmonic movement (even less than So What, IMHO) it is hard to keep things moving forward and interesting.
For instance, Mack the Knife. I love Sonny Rollins' solo on that tune. Saxophone Colossus, I think. Anyway, I finally looked at a chart after not hearing in tune in years and... it's a VERY key centered and "simple" tune. Yet when Sonny plays it... an absolutely beautiful solo. I think weaving beauty into the "mundane" is more challenging than navigating harmonically complex tunes. I mean, the harmony kinda gives you a road map. Not so much with a more "basic" tune. Maybe not harder or easier, but different challenges for each.
For me, I didn't know when MrSunnyBass was gonna stop walking solo choruses until he gave that last minute cue. That said, his bass playing is exquisite. I kinda had a flashback to taking solos where the leader wanted me to keep going... because he wanted food or a drink. I'd keep thinking "oh crap, when's he coming back! I dunno how to play this tune!"
Thanks for the compliment, Kris.
Love all the playing we've posted so far. Maybe we can challenge ourselves to get "deeper" into this tune. Give each other assignments like "just solo with notes from the melody". Or "I want you to back cycle from mid way through the tune to the top". Or "I want you to improvise with a 3 note theme and develop it." I dunno, could be fun too. Since I suggested it, how about one of you all give me an "assignment" do over this tune? Anything you'd think be helpful or interesting to hear. I know I still got A LOT to work on in my own playingLast edited by PickingMyEars; 03-05-2021 at 02:55 PM.
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A completely different version from those usually played.
My point was to break the standard playing on this tune.
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Some thoughts (not mine) on blues harmony and blues harmony specifically in this tune—playing A natural over the F-7, or playing F7 instead of F-, etc.:
“Work Song” and blues harmony | The Ethan Hein Blog
Anyways, there's a transcription in that article of Wes's solo from the Nat Adderley version of this song that features a nice "approximation" of what the piano player is doing—over the static F7 section, the piano player alternates between F7 and Gb7 to give it a bit of movement. You hear something similar in Lee Morgan's "Sidewinder", I think, although the piano is way more out front in that tune. Going to try to suggest this same tension and release in my lines over those long static sections if I can.
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Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
It sounded great. For me to do that, I'd have to sit down with the chart and laboriously try to add this kind of harmonic movement, then write in the chords and practice playing on all of them. So, I'm wondering how you got there.
An aside: years ago Carl Barry told me that Chuck Wayne would harmonize every note in a song's melody with a different chord. Then, he would try to solo on every one of them.
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What I've heard so far:
Mr. B: digging this one, and hearing the the Grant Green influence. I like the way you build tension in the first 6 bars to a peak on the C7, and then kind go dashing down the hill in the second half of the form.
PickingMyEars: Yup, definitely different. I think the lyrics could maybe use somewhat fewer syllables, and the blowing somewhat more. Tone and articulations on the guitar sound really good.
Ragman1: Sounds good. I like the little nooks and crannies of harmony you outline.
RP: Nice, one. I like the scatting.
Kris: Awesome backing track! Did you put that together yourself? Soloing great, too.
John
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Originally Posted by John A.
Thanks for listening.
This bacing track I made on BB 2019-very creative tool.
Best
Kris
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Originally Posted by John A.
Exelent sound and playing.The overdriven guitar sounds great.You need more funky in background.
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Originally Posted by wzpgsr
I'm not sure about the article. There's a bit of overthink going on for me. I'm really not sure the author's saying anything new, just the usual academic stuff about 'blues tonality' and all that. And to my mind he's making a lot of fuss over Wes' solo which is pretty standard fare (for Wes).
No, the tune's in Fm (some people play it in Dm) and it is what it is. Probably the additional F7/Bb7/G7 (usually played Db7)/C7 is unnecessary but it adds something to the backing.
The whole thing, as written, is just Fm. F7#9 can be played as Fm, the ii of Bb7 is Fm and Db7 to C7 is just a slide-in. So using the Fm blues scale all the way through is the simplest way to deal with it.
But, of course, that's pretty deadly to play for more than a couple of choruses. So the challenge, if you like, is to make something else of it. Easier said than done, naturally.
Don't be offended because you posted the article, please, it's just a comment :-)
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