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Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
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01-18-2021 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
Yes you are quite right, early japanese Squire Strat straight into DAW.
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Here we go ...
John
Edit: a bit of explanation ... My approach was basically to be aware of the key centers - Cmin, Gmin, Dmin - and focus more on on phrasing, motifs, rhythmic variation, and taking "breaths" rather than on hitting every chord explicitly. For the most part, I think I did that, though the swing time is a little exaggerated and forced sounding in places.
One thing I found challenging is that the backing tracks I found are all pretty busy. There's not much space to mix chords in with the single-line playing, which makes the solo a bit too much of the same thing. Also, the whole thing is sort of an inverted performance. In the real world, the rhythm section listens to the soloist and the reacts to what where the soloist pulls the dynamics, repeated phrases, etc., and where the soloist pulls the harmony. But with backing tracks like this as a soloist, you have to react to a "performance" that's already there, and it's very hard to make that sound natural. But it's also really hard to do a tune like this without any sort of accompaniment. Scylla, Charibdis, yada yada yada.Last edited by John A.; 01-18-2021 at 06:11 PM.
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Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
John
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Originally Posted by John A.
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Originally Posted by kris
John
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Originally Posted by ragman1
John
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Originally Posted by rpjazzguitar
John
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Originally Posted by John A.
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Originally Posted by John A.
That is a processed sound done with a Boss ME80. It's mostly adding the tone an octave lower, but only a little bit. I like the way it thickens the higher notes. I tolerate what it does to the lower notes because I'm not aware of a way to make the lower-octave-note dependent on frequency. It would be nice if the lower note gradually dropped out as you descend in pitch.
I've been using that sound for so long I can't remember what else is in it -- there may be a bit of overdrive.Last edited by rpjazzguitar; 01-19-2021 at 06:34 AM.
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[QUOTE=John A.;1091581]Here we go ...
John
Beautiful tone! It really held my interest by being so unpredictable. High level playing, I'm glad you sent it in. Would you share how you recorded? (method, gear, instrument)
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Originally Posted by alpop
. To get the backing track into GB, I ran it through one of the youtube to mp3 conversion sites and imported the resultant mp3 into GB.
John
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Very nice John!
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Originally Posted by John A.
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Originally Posted by John A.
It didn't put me off much but I have to agree with Jens (and others).
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This is why I like my own backings. Nice and clear.
Last edited by ragman1; 01-19-2021 at 01:41 PM.
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Originally Posted by John A.
Yes, it's the Yamaha, right on the tabletop. The track and guitar are playing through it. My phone is directly in front of it, about 6 inches away. Not a bad sound for a "phone sketch" as I call it.
I think the key is to make sure the phone is propped up against a beer bottle. Gives better tone.
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Here's my attempt, trying Mr. B's notion of basing my improvisation around 3 blues scales. I think I actually set the tempo too slow, and I think that hung me up a little, which is odd, but I feel "out of the pocket" with this. I was impressed at how much those blues scales could do! Also guys, this is unusual for me--this was totally improvised, spontaneous. No sitting down trying to work out things to use. I played over the changes a couple times to feel out when the scales would shift, but this is just what came out when I hit "record."
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Originally Posted by John A.
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Originally Posted by lawson-stone
Re: tempo-- yeah, this tune works best in that "midtempo" range...which is actually a hard tempo, as you feel like your 8th notes are sloooow but if you try to double time, it's FAST.
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Originally Posted by ragman1
John
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Originally Posted by lawson-stone
Nice jazz feel.
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Originally Posted by ragman1
Playing with different backing tracks made you more universal.... it can be a motivation for improvisation.
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Originally Posted by kris
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Originally Posted by ragman1
It is not about You.It is about of the recording quality .
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Originally Posted by kris
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Originally Posted by lawson-stone
John
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Originally Posted by John A.
First, my electric archtop is in storage somewhere. These days I just sit in my room. I have no fancy equipment. Even if I amped up this one I'd have to use an interface... it's all a bit of an effort just to do a forum, to be honest, so I do what I do. I definitely need a backing of some kind, though. I've done tracks with just bass and/or sporadic comping but it has to suit the tune. The sound of the acoustic, even with reverb, doesn't really go well with those recorded tracks.
So it's not a question of 'don't want to' but rather what works in my situation. I wouldn't mind playing to something more dynamic, as you suggest, but it wouldn't really change what I do and it's that I'm interested in. The backing's definitely secondary. As long as it provides a harmonic background I'm happy.
There are other subsidiary reasons. These tracks are recorded and, I suspect, aren't live. I tend to 'psych in' with what I'm playing to. It's different with real people, I tune in to them. With my own tracks, there's zero problem, of course. With mechanical tracks I feel mechanical too... not good for expression :-)
So I'm not disagreeing with you or being stubborn, I'm well aware that the whole quality is lousy. It could all sound much more professional, but there we are. But thanks for your comments anyway, they're appreciated.
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Weird guitar face and all. Not much of a one and done guy...
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Originally Posted by ragman1
John
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Originally Posted by fep
Shades of Abercrombie here, in tone, approach, and thumb
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Originally Posted by fep
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Originally Posted by fep
Jazzingly
Kris
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Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
Originally Posted by rpjazzguitar
Originally Posted by kris
Cheers All
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Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
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Fep -
Great, I did like that. Deceptively simple :-)
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Originally Posted by ragman1
Originally Posted by kris
Digging these versions. Such different approaches...
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Originally Posted by rpjazzguitar
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Longtime lurker, but I miss jam sessions.
Still not crazy about this take, the notes aren't crispy enough.
Warts and all:
Dipping my toes in, hope they don't get bit off
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Originally Posted by PickingMyEars
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Originally Posted by fep
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Here's my first run at the tune+improv chorus. This tune was new for me, though I'd heard it before, so my phrasing on the tune is possibly not as natural as it should be since I mainly read it from the lead sheet. Good backing track through from Hal Leonard.
I like how the ES165 sounds through the Polytone MBII. Just sitting here playing it feels good. I hope some of that comes over in the clip.
Advice and wisdom is appreciated.
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Lawson-stone,
"my phrasing on the tune is possibly not as natural"
Actually, no! I really enjoyed your phrasing here. You paid attention to note length, accent, rhythm, dynamics, and phrase length. Yupe, you did.
Your solo was grooving too. I gotta work on compin' for myself, especially when I'm not playing with anyone live these days
Your playing was "crispy". Crispy makes people stop, listen, and dance. I gotta work on my fry batter
I think this tune is challenging because it plays tricks on your ears if you aren't careful. That said, it's Benny Golson--so it's listener's gold in my book.
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Originally Posted by PickingMyEars
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Lawson, something I've noticed about your playing for a while-- when you relax and just be you, you play your best, and thats what's happening here.
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Originally Posted by PickingMyEars
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Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
Likely here it's the blues scales. Hard to make a mistake, and a lot of overlap among the 3 main scales so it's possible to slip-slide into a better note if I hit a clinker. There is one, in the last A section, that was unrecoverable! But I actually was happy. I played the head, I thought pretty nicely, and I took a solo that wouldn't empty a room. Win-Win!
Thanks for all the great encouragement and solid advice you've given me over my time on this forum. You're a solid guy. Hope we can meet sometime.
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Originally Posted by lawson-stone
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Very nice playing, lawson! Enjoyed it and it's very encouraging to a jazz guitar hack like me.
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Just so it has been said .. This Jam format has been a great success and definately brings something else to the table than the monthly standard thread .. Great to see spontaneous clips from what is normally very prepared monthly standard players
JGBE virtual jam, round 7
Yesterday, 07:00 PM in Improvisation