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Originally Posted by Lionelsax
Here's an image from Wiki. It's dated 2011 but it's probably still accurate.
Wales - Wikipedia
I went to Cardiff many years ago and stayed in Splott, which is a fun name. The signs are all bilingual with English first, Welsh second. Just for fun I went round asking people if they actually spoke Welsh. I spoke to shop people, road diggers, the lot. Not one of them did. Honestly!
But my girlfriend/partner is partly Welsh (surname Jones) and I get a lot of impromptu lectures about all this. Apparently her grandfather was beaten in school for speaking Welsh. But that was a long time ago.
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08-26-2018 03:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Lionelsax
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Originally Posted by ragman1
That's true, it was lovely but too young and stupid to figure out it was.
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The BBC aired a TV police drama series called Hinterland, set in Wales. It was scripted bilingually in both Welsh and English. The Welsh bits had English subtitles. It was quite dark but very good.
If you want to hear it here's an episode. I've disguised the link because this is a jazz forum (!) but you can click here and there on it to get the full effect. There's a Welsh bit at about 29.00.
Xhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9rB-BkF1oU
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There is pro and there is "pro level". My definition of "pro level" is being able to hold your own when you play with pro's. The concept of being a pro, I think, means musicianship activities being a persons main source of income.
My own goal is to perform jazz at the "pro level". This is I think sometimes called "part-time pro" or carrier musician (ie. a musician who relies on a another carrier for income and plays occasional gigs with pros). These are not the most sought after musicians in their cities but I know some who are very good at being "part time pros".Last edited by Tal_175; 08-26-2018 at 08:00 AM.
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Semi-pro. But I really like 'part-time pro' :-)
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Originally Posted by Tal_175
The Moreno workshop gives an idea of what is required to become a world class pro. But that’s NYC.
OTOH I know plenty of players who are playing every night in London who don’t necessarily play amazing - the ones who are great at organisation, booking gigs and that type of stuff. These guys can book the best players in town.
I think jazz is to some extent a meritocracy though in that the people at the top have done a phenomenal amount of work on their playing.
Most of us are somewhere in the middle.
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thanks for the Mike Moreno video,,,,Mike is now on Band in a Box as an Artist Performance Soloist....real tracks... I just bought it as an add on...and tried Mike on BLues For ALice..3 chorus Solo....Delightful...dont know if mike really does those Note LEaps...athlete..wonder if theres something in Options..
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Originally Posted by voxss
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Originally Posted by voxss
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Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
On the alto saxophone, I appreciate a lot Jackie McLean.
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it’s straight AND laid back. straight meaning even eighth motes, laid back meaning down beats slightly behind and swubg eighths locked in. trust me guys im somewhat of an expert as i figured this out over 2 days ago. in fact speaking of pros, i guess i can consider myself an honorary pro bc i know this secret and know all the cushtie slang.
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Originally Posted by christianm77
Sometimes it's all about connections.
You know, I know a guy who... OK... Let's try... He is OK.
It depends also where you are located.
It's a bit like a community, they are from the music school you studied, it's OK, he knows a guy who... etc.
C'est en forgeant que l'on devient forgeron.
The other day I played with someone who played with wonderful musicians, now he's back to his native region.
And I said : "Man you played with the greatest, now you are playing with me, what a career !"
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C'est en forgeant que l'on devient forgeron.
is this British slang?
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Originally Posted by Lionelsax
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Originally Posted by Lionelsax
But if you are motherfucker you will get gigs. But obviously not if you stay in your bedroom lol.
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Originally Posted by christianm77
For those who don't know, that's a Miles Davis adjective not a British slang as far as I know. It's reserved for those who reached the highest level of mastery with their instrument.
Using it in a sentence: "Bud Powell is a real motherfucker."
If you're really good, but not a monster, you're earn to the meager title, "bad".
Sentence: "That guy got the place moving last night, he was real bad." (note, no "motherfucker")
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interesting tal, i thought they were interchangable
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ive heard bad motherfucker plenty as well, hmmm
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Originally Posted by christianm77
- I'm from T ?
- Shit ! I thought you were from M.
- What are you doing there ?
- I am working.
- When you go to M call us.
- But we could play in SADP
- No... Forget it... There is nothing here.
A call, another guy not far from I live :
- Lionel, I've got a gig...
- Yes, that's good.
- I've got a set list... Impressions...
- Stop, I want you to play it AABA 32 bars...
- No... those are conventions, I play it the way I want, I've got experience... Trust me... Jazz is not commercial music.
- Can you tell me when you're comping or soloing because I can't really hear the difference, I need space. Don't forget... on Night And Day, respect AABA form...
- I don't care I've got experience... Come on... Are you ambitious ? Trust me.
- Why do you play every blues in C ?
- It's easier for me, please, don't ask, it's easier on a piano.
- OK...
We play it's quite OK but not as I would like.
- Come on Lionel, are you ambitious ? I know a bunch of guys ?
- I have got a set list.
- Yeah... Yeah.. I know them all.
At the gig...
- I know them but I forgot them... Hey... Blues in C
- Why ?
- It's easier on the piano.
But this guy, if he stopped messing around, he would be great... Believe me.
When I've got a gig, he is always there but...
The other ones are too far or need more than one gig.
So... every time, the first words of the conversations are : "Give me a gig."
And it's true there is nothing where I live.
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Originally Posted by joe2758
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Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
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Originally Posted by wzpgsr
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Originally Posted by joe2758
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I read the Miles autobiography about a million years ago.
MF is fairly standard musician slang, and it’s funniest when used by white middle class English dudes.
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