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Originally Posted by wzpgsr
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08-25-2018 04:55 PM
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Funny thing is, I have never thought about any of this stuff much. Just always tried to copy what my heroes did on records, listen, listen, listen, get the same time feel etc.
I suspect they did much the same, though they probably got it on the bandstand.
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Originally Posted by grahambop
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Originally Posted by christianm77
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Originally Posted by christianm77
I don't know how anyone could ever think you're anything other than a pro. I hope you know that I have more respect for you than almost anyone. I have always considered it a privilege to count a few high level players here - like yourself - as friends.
All the best, always.
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Originally Posted by christianm77
What I meant to express was re the fact that often (legitimate) discussions on BEAT PLACEMENT by higher level players get mis-interpreted by ams, who are interpreting basic rhythmic phrasing as being the same things which are being discussed. especially order new triplets . Anyway, that's what got me thinking about it, because that was in the post I quoted of yours.
You can use quarter note triplets to imply a kind of "behind phrasing" feel , but players laying back and playing "behind the beat" generally is a different thing. Anyway, dancing about architecture I guess...
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Originally Posted by matt.guitarteacher
Bit ratty..... I think a few people are?
I also think it's a bogus split. In a way it's not that I even mind people thinking I'm an amateur. I know amateurs on here whose playing I admire.
But being a pro is about other stuff. Im a bit frustrated because I think people are thinking that I am talking about stuff in the abstract, but this is my day at the office. My work is stuff like - how do I swing on that tune that sped up embarrassingly last night? How do I teach this guy who can't come in on the right beat on Sonny Moon For Two how to do it? Let alone make the fella swing. But, I try different stuff and something clicks. Oh man, it's so rewarding. When I chip in here, it's based on that sort of experience.
So when I talk about this stuff, I don't talk just about myself, it's about how I teach and what I have observed. Everyone on this thread without exception can swing if they can't do it already. It's just that they might need a different language for it to click for them.
Joe discovered something. And I joke about saying that stuff for years, but really it's a personal thing, I can't tell him or anyone. You discover it yourself, how many times you've been told it in the abstract. You suddenly realise this thing that people have been telling you - what it ACTUALLY means.
I think watching this Mike Moreno workshop as well as the Pasquale Grasso has put a lot of stuff in perspective. If anything I am not enough of an amateur. It's all about love.
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If I do flounce off I could always come back as some impenetrable alias such as CM77. No one will guess!
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Originally Posted by grahambop
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Originally Posted by christianm77
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Originally Posted by christianm77
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Originally Posted by joe2758
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Originally Posted by christianm77
I think if someone confused you for an amateur, it might be that you come across as one still so much on the learning curve, still discovering so much, that it's easy to miss the experience that is in the background.
You are one of the reasons I keep coming to the forum. Don't ever leave, please!
And I think you'd really like an Epiphone ES175 Premium! Just sayin'
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my next thread will be “i think i finally figured out some british slang”
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not ’arf!
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Originally Posted by grahambop
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it’s well ‘ard! it’s the bleedin’ dog’s!
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Originally Posted by christianm77
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Generally of you do it bad you don't get a repeat call tho. This is what I have found... So there's an incentive to get stuff together..
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Originally Posted by christianm77
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Joe -
It's time you got your ass over here and explored some linguistic delights first-hand.
P.S. If you really want some fun try Glasgow :-)
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Originally Posted by ragman1
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That would be North Wales, probably. Very nice scenery generally.
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Originally Posted by ragman1
This is Tenby and myself.
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On the "pro" thing, I have my own distinction. As an amateur or hobby player, I probably have moments in my playing where I nail it as well as any pro. But... the pro has to nail it every time. The pro has to deliver a constant level of quality in a reliable way, every time. You have to be able to play the same song so many times, and make it seem fresh each time. You have to avoid getting into a rut, but in staying fresh, avoid becoming weird or getting off your best game. You have to please others with your music in a way that I as a hobby player don't need to. I can take two weeks off and not play. I can do other stuff. But the pro player rarely can afford a long stretch away from their instrument.
I have a ton of respect for musicians who can keep up a solid level of quality in their playing gig after gig, be good at teaching lesson after lesson with often unrewarding and mediocre students and always have to be hustling to figure out how to keep a livable income going while pursuing music. That's gotta be one of the hardest jobs out there.
You guys who do that deserve the name "pro" because that's exactly what you are.
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