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Originally Posted by Runepune
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04-26-2017 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by VKat
THE DOZENS: STEVE COLEMAN ON CHARLIE PARKER (edited by Ted Panken & Steve Coleman) | Steve Coleman
I could talk about rhythm all day.
Barry Harris's thoughts on Stitt (BH played with him on some great records) re: rhythm are not.... complimentary BTW.... Seems to regard him as rhythmically limited.
But anything can be picked apart intellectually, or grasped intuitively... Most of use a balance of the two things to learn, taking things apart, putting them back together...
Rhythmically speaking looking at their transcriptions Parker's lines are more syncopated with high rhythmic sophistication unless it's 350 bpm where he tended to play mostly 8th which makes sense
Sonny Stitt's lines rhythmically are more simple with less syncopation and weird rhythmic figures.
Edit: I just realised you must've been talking about accents and articulation as well? Yes, in that resprect as I understnad Bebop was innovative in its use of scattered uneven accents which nevertherless were dependent on the particular musician's style.
I think that's one of the problems in the education materials: too often Bebop is being generalized as if it was a set-rules style without too much individuality. I think my example above of C.Parker and S.Stitt shows clearly they played their own distinctive Bebop species.
One thing that moved me away from practicing the BH added note scale stuff as much as I did is I found it was making my phrasing a bit regular. Ironically.
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Originally Posted by christianm77
Looking at the transcriptions of other guys from Parker's circles, namely F.Navarro I don't see as much rhythmic variety as in the man's lines. Mind you Navarro is such a tremendous trumpeter I can't even imagine he was real as I mentioned above.
Are you sure Sonny Stiit belongs to the 2nd generation of Bebop players? Some call his style 'transitional' but I don't think he came to the scene so late that he can be called being 2nd. Closer to the first maybe?
Who else from sax players then in your opinion apart from Parker was in the 1st gen.? That would be interesting to know in order to make a valid comparison of their rhythmic proficiency.
Anyway, I don't think we can find many (if any?) to match up with Parker in rhythmic respect.
I don't think we should talk about drummers?
By the way, Stitt is great. His lines sing.
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I think we should only talk about drummers :-)
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Originally Posted by christianm77
That proves once again how versatile this instrument is!
You must be familiar with Jon Gomm?
Last edited by VKat; 04-27-2017 at 06:37 PM.
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Reminds me of a great story about Parker waiting for Max Roach to arrive at a session. CP was at the drum kit, playing a polyrhythmic figure that Roach himself couldn't replicate.
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Originally Posted by PMB
All of Me - A7 on measure #28 (9th?)
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