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    Quote Originally Posted by lawson-stone
    One of my favorite moments in the video, and I forget where it is, comes when Conti elaborates on one of his lines, ripping out a really fast, knotty phrase. He says something like "Some people don't like my playing, but I like to play a lot of notes."

    For some reason, that just endeared him to me even more. Knows some folks don't like "notey" playing, but happy to say he likes it just does what he does.

    One of my professors once spent 45 minutes in class walking us through an extensive piece of research that in the end, returned very little to our work. Dry hole. He then just said, "So why do this kind of thing? Well... why does the otter go down the bank? It's because he's an otter."
    I think we had the same professor.


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    I am not completely happy with using just fingers for this project, I like fingers no nails for solo guitar and thats my main interest.

    So I have had a rummage about and found a Fender medium pick 0.73mm, I will give that a go and see how it works out.

    For now I have recorded bars 1-24 with my fingers at 100BPM. And I will record the full thing both ways for a comparison.


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    Quote Originally Posted by lawson-stone
    So here's my run at the whole solo, done at about 100 bpm. I love my Epiphone Elitist Broadway, but likely will be selling it when the L5ces I'm gunning for arrives!

    I have tried to play it as close to "as written" as I could, and there is a clam right a the end! There always is, right? I hope to get the tempo up to about 120 and do a clip with the head+solo to cap the first Conti project.

    Played into a DV Mark Micro 50 Head, 10" speaker cab, mic'd through a ProSonus Audiobox iTwo and into my iPhone via USB. My levels are a little hot and there is some clipping.

    Nice!
    If you'll forgive my saying so, I'd like to hear you lay back even more. With that sweet tone, you're really onto something, Lawson.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarkRhodes
    Robert Conti has offered to answer some of our questions. Probably in a video.

    I should think we need three or four.

    Perhaps some have been suggested already. (Certainly the question about simplifying his "Formula" progressions has generated a lot of attention but that is a separate matter. See link below to that thread.) But how will anyone keep track of them?


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    Not my circus, not my monkeys - but it's great to see threads like this. Much encouragement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by andyb
    I am not completely happy with using just fingers for this project, I like fingers no nails for solo guitar and thats my main interest.

    So I have had a rummage about and found a Fender medium pick 0.73mm, I will give that a go and see how it works out.

    For now I have recorded bars 1-24 with my fingers at 100BPM. And I will record the full thing both ways for a comparison.

    As someone who can't play fingerstyle worth a flip, I admire how you're able to play lines without a pick, a la Joe Pass; and I think you get a beautiful tone from your whole rig (fingers included). Well done on this one . . . looking forward to the comparison, as well.

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    Well thanks for the kind words.

    I have found an arrangement of satin doll over at the Ted Greene site, and will work that up.
    At the moment I can't see how to move from that to the Conti solo, especially if I change to pick?

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    Quote Originally Posted by andyb
    Well thanks for the kind words.

    I have found an arrangement of satin doll over at the Ted Greene site, and will work that up.
    At the moment I can't see how to move from that to the Conti solo, especially if I change to pick?
    That's a good site. Greene's arrangements are similar in method to Conti's, in that he shows you how to harmonize nearly every melody note.

    Moving from fingers to pick, Joe Pass and Emily Remler held the pick between their lips until they needed it, I think Ed Bickert hybrid-picked everything, and Wes found his own solution.

    This might be a good item to include on the "Questions for Conti" list we're starting.

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    Anyone here ever try a Robert Conti guitar ?
    Just Curious. .
    I saw them on his website. They look similar to the D'Angelico SS Series.
    I currently have my eye on the D'Angelico SS Deluxe.
    I have owned a Peerless Sunset and an Ibanez Artist 250. Both great guitars and I do regret selling them


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    Quote Originally Posted by Doublea A
    Anyone here ever try a Robert Conti guitar ?
    Just Curious. .
    I saw them on his website. They look similar to the D'Angelico SS Series.
    I currently have my eye on the D'Angelico SS Deluxe.
    I have owned a Peerless Sunset and an Ibanez Artist 250. Both great guitars and I do regret selling them


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    Those used to be made by the folks doing the Aria Pro II line-the old PE190 was, I think, a Conti model. But I could have that wrong.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Doublea A
    Anyone here ever try a Robert Conti guitar ?
    Just Curious. .
    I saw them on his website. They look similar to the D'Angelico SS Series.
    I currently have my eye on the D'Angelico SS Deluxe.
    I have owned a Peerless Sunset and an Ibanez Artist 250. Both great guitars and I do regret selling them


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    Although I've never played one, I have been in contact with a few people who own the Equity model. Mike Irish (mjirish) is a member here, and he spoke highly of the instrument when I asked him about it not too long ago. Conti Players' Gallery contributors Adam Hinchliffe and Will Kriski have posted samples of their playing on YouTube, and I asked them about the guitar, as well. Both guys had nothing but good to say about it, and were very encouraging when I told that I expect to buy a new instrument sometime this year, and that the Conti is on my short list.

    Other Conti players I plan to contact soon are John Monllos and forum member Tony Beltrans (tbeltrans). I think they've gone on record as being very pleased with the guitar overall, but I have a couple of specific questions I hope they'll be willing to answer.





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    Quote Originally Posted by Doublea A
    Anyone here ever try a Robert Conti guitar ?
    Just Curious. .
    I saw them on his website. They look similar to the D'Angelico SS Series.
    I currently have my eye on the D'Angelico SS Deluxe.
    I have owned a Peerless Sunset and an Ibanez Artist 250. Both great guitars and I do regret selling them
    I have a Conti guitar. I purchased the Black Equity Edition in August 2013. The Conti guitars are made by Peerless to Conti's specifications. I believe Peerless still makes them for Conti.

    I couldn't believe it, it played out of the box. After a few days after it got acclimated to my part of the country, I had a slight buzz on the low E string on the seventh fret. A minor adjustment to the truss rod and it has been good ever since. The guitar has very log action and easy to play.

    I saw on the web site where they recently came out with some new guitars with an entry, mid and top level models. When I purchased my guitar they were all top level models with an option for different finishes.

    My guitar looks like the ones used in the previous videos by Adam, Will and John

    I'll use it when I make one of my next videos.
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  13. #212

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    Quote Originally Posted by snailspace
    That's a good site. Greene's arrangements are similar in method to Conti's, in that he shows you how to harmonize nearly every melody note.

    Moving from fingers to pick, Joe Pass and Emily Remler held the pick between their lips until they needed it, I think Ed Bickert hybrid-picked everything, and Wes found his own solution.

    This might be a good item to include on the "Questions for Conti" list we're starting.
    I recall from one of Conti's DVD's that he puts the pick under his middle finger between the folds of the finger when he switches back and forth between fingers and pick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by andyb
    I am not completely happy with using just fingers for this project, I like fingers no nails for solo guitar and thats my main interest.

    So I have had a rummage about and found a Fender medium pick 0.73mm, I will give that a go and see how it works out.

    For now I have recorded bars 1-24 with my fingers at 100BPM. And I will record the full thing both ways for a comparison.
    All the videos I played so far I didn't use a pick. No reason for not using a pick. When I purchased my Conti guitar, he included a couple of his favorite Jim Dunlop .38mm nylon picks. I started using this pick when I purchased The Precision Technique Source Code book and have gotten used to playing with it. Up until then I have always use a Fender thin pick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeS
    I have a Conti guitar. I purchased the Black Equity Edition in August 2013. The Conti guitars are made by Peerless to Conti's specifications. I believe Peerless still makes them for Conti.

    I couldn't believe it, it played out of the box. After a few days after it got acclimated to my part of the country, I had a slight buzz on the low E string on the seventh fret. A minor adjustment to the truss rod and it has been good ever since. The guitar has very log action and easy to play.

    I saw on the web site where they recently came out with some new guitars with an entry, mid and top level models. When I purchased my guitar they were all top level models with an option for different finishes.

    My guitar looks like the ones used in the previous videos by Adam, Will and John

    I'll use it when I make one of my next videos.
    That's helpful -- I've been a low-action freak ever since my first guitar: an ancient, Sears Silvertone acoustic with a loose neck and egg-slicer action. If cell phones had been around back then, you could have easily slipped one between the strings and frets somewhere around the 5th position or so. I didn't know much different, so all subsequent guitars seems fine by comparison until -- over a decade later -- I finally got my hands on a good one.

    You read every now and then about some guys who say they like the guitar to fight back a little, but I think that's for the birds. It's hard enough to play, without having to wrestle the thing into submission.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snailspace
    That's helpful -- I've been a low-action freak ever since my first guitar: an ancient, Sears Silvertone acoustic with a loose neck and egg-slicer action. If cell phones had been around back then, you could have easily slipped one between the strings and frets somewhere around the 5th position or so. I didn't know much different, so all subsequent guitars seems fine by comparison until -- over a decade later -- I finally got my hands on a good one.

    You read every now and then about some guys who say they like the guitar to fight back a little, but I think that's for the birds. It's hard enough to play, without having to wrestle the thing into submission.
    I agree low action is the only way to go. I believe it was Chet Atkins who said, "Do you play the guitar or does the guitar play you."

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    Been away all weekend. Here's my post for bars 1-24. Played it pretty straight. Need to spring for another web cam. Next post will be melody + 32 bar solo. Time permitting, I may try a couple of variations.


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    Quote Originally Posted by losaltosjoe
    Been away all weekend. Here's my post for bars 1-24. Played it pretty straight. Need to spring for another web cam. Next post will be melody + 32 bar solo. Time permitting, I may try a couple of variations.

    Nice! Love the tone and feel.


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    Quote Originally Posted by destinytot
    Nice!
    If you'll forgive my saying so, I'd like to hear you lay back even more. With that sweet tone, you're really onto something, Lawson.
    Thanks! I was intentionally playing this as cleanly and correctly as possible. As I get it in my head I hope it'll become something I can both play, and play with.


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    Quote Originally Posted by snailspace
    You read every now and then about some guys who say they like the guitar to fight back a little, but I think that's for the birds. It's hard enough to play, without having to wrestle the thing into submission.
    My action is medium. With low action, it is too easy (-for me, anyway) to sound a string unintentionally. (If I touch a string, it touches a fret.)

    I've been reading a book about Freddie Green (written by his son, Alfred.) Freddie's mainstay road guitar for years had the highest action ever seen (--on a good guitar used by a professional player): at the 12th fret, the high E string was 1/2" above the fingerboard. Yikes! That was hard to play. But it gave him volume he needed, and made it easy to finger chords without sounding all the notes. (He might finger one chord but only sound one note of it, or one note on one beat and two on the next.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by losaltosjoe
    Been away all weekend. Here's my post for bars 1-24. Played it pretty straight. Need to spring for another web cam. Next post will be melody + 32 bar solo. Time permitting, I may try a couple of variations.

    Great job, well played. You are making a great recording of the audio, could you please give us a break down of the gear and process of the audio please, I am finding it difficult to get the sound I hear in the room and my recording anywhere near each other.

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    Wow. Duplicating on nice but not studio gear the exact sound we get in the room, to our ears, is the Holy Grail and likely an unreachable one.

    I vacillate between mic'ing the cabinet and going direct from the pre-amp. Ironically, sometimes my most accurate recording has simply been the microphone in my iPhone! I think I might try a mic farther back from the amp next time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by andyb
    Great job, well played. You are making a great recording of the audio, could you please give us a break down of the gear and process of the audio please, I am finding it difficult to get the sound I hear in the room and my recording anywhere near each other.

    Thanks Andy for the kind words regarding my audio/tone. It is ridiculous how little I know about recording and how much I hate turning knobs. Here's my info:

    Guitar: 1996 Gibson L5 CES
    Strings: Pyramid gold pure nickel flat wound strings (12 high E). I think these are what my luthier put on the guitar. I always used Thomastic 13 flats but when I got the L5 it buzzed. As part of the process to "get rid of the buzz", he slapped on some Pyramids (at least that's what I think he used).
    Pick: Dunlop tortex .50mm
    Amp: Brunetti Singleman 16 watt, one 12" speaker. I put it on the 1 watt setting (it has 1, 8, 16) and tweed setting (it has full, smooth, and tweed). From what I know, the Brunetti is kind of like a Fender Princeton Reverb.
    Backing Track: Band In A Box. I use the Conti changes from the PDF with a 2 bar intro.
    Microphone: Yeti USB (that I borrowed from my teenage daughter). I think this might be the secret sauce!

    Recording process.
    1) I play the BIAB backing track on my windows XP desktop and use the earphone jack to play it through my Yamaha G100-115. For the next TTI project, I will try using my Bluetooth JBL speaker since the earphone out cord with a jack causes the Yamaha amp to buzz.
    2) I set the Yedi USB mic (360 mode) between the Yamaha (backing track) and Brunetti (guitar) but closer to the Brunetti (6-8 inches from the speaker). The amps are almost facing each other with the mic in the middle.
    3) I record the video and sound together using Microsoft Movie Maker (this software has been deprecated and isn't available on my wife's Windows 7 machine). I generally need multiple practice takes to balance the guitar and backing track volume.

    Other stuff:
    - Until I joined this study group, I never recorded myself. So I am making it up as I go.
    - I am going to take Lawson's advice and make recording a regular part of my practice routine.
    - I did download Audacity which will allow me to record the backing track and guitar on separate tracks. I was not happy with the results of my first attempt to multi-track. It sounded kind of sterile.
    - I am a bit OCD and I promised myself that I will NOT let recording get in the way of playing/practicing! I only get about 1 hour a night to play.

    Let me know if you need any more info.

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    So here's my run at the "head" and the solo, played at a performance appropriate tempo of about 120-130 bpm. I was having trouble hearing my backing track on the head, and I also find the "head" portions of the Aebersold recording a little hard to play with anyhow. But it's a take on the head, and then the solo. Clams aplenty. I wish I could just post perfect clips of pristine playing, but it seems I can't deliver 64 measures of clean execution (*yet* but hope never dies!).

    Playing the Elitist Broadway through the Polytone, mic'ed with a "Bluebird" microphone.


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    Quote Originally Posted by losaltosjoe
    Thanks Andy for the kind words regarding my audio/tone. It is ridiculous how little I know about recording and how much I hate turning knobs. Here's my info:

    Guitar: 1996 Gibson L5 CES
    Strings: Pyramid gold pure nickel flat wound strings (12 high E). I think these are what my luthier put on the guitar. I always used Thomastic 13 flats but when I got the L5 it buzzed. As part of the process to "get rid of the buzz", he slapped on some Pyramids (at least that's what I think he used).
    Pick: Dunlop tortex .50mm
    Amp: Brunetti Singleman 16 watt, one 12" speaker. I put it on the 1 watt setting (it has 1, 8, 16) and tweed setting (it has full, smooth, and tweed). From what I know, the Brunetti is kind of like a Fender Princeton Reverb.
    Backing Track: Band In A Box. I use the Conti changes from the PDF with a 2 bar intro.
    Microphone: Yeti USB (that I borrowed from my teenage daughter). I think this might be the secret sauce!

    Recording process.
    1) I play the BIAB backing track on my windows XP desktop and use the earphone jack to play it through my Yamaha G100-115. For the next TTI project, I will try using my Bluetooth JBL speaker since the earphone out cord with a jack causes the Yamaha amp to buzz.
    2) I set the Yedi USB mic (360 mode) between the Yamaha (backing track) and Brunetti (guitar) but closer to the Brunetti (6-8 inches from the speaker). The amps are almost facing each other with the mic in the middle.
    3) I record the video and sound together using Microsoft Movie Maker (this software has been deprecated and isn't available on my wife's Windows 7 machine). I generally need multiple practice takes to balance the guitar and backing track volume.

    Other stuff:
    - Until I joined this study group, I never recorded myself. So I am making it up as I go.
    - I am going to take Lawson's advice and make recording a regular part of my practice routine.
    - I did download Audacity which will allow me to record the backing track and guitar on separate tracks. I was not happy with the results of my first attempt to multi-track. It sounded kind of sterile.
    - I am a bit OCD and I promised myself that I will NOT let recording get in the way of playing/practicing! I only get about 1 hour a night to play.

    Let me know if you need any more info.
    Thanks for the detailed reply, your right and I don't want to spend to much time on the recording side of things either. I have been playing around with microphone placement tonight, it's amazing how a inch of movement can effect the recorded sound.
    When I get the sound right I will take a look in to video, a whole different can of worms.

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    I always record a chunk of my practice, and today I decided to do the solo on each of 3 L5ces clones: the Epiphone Elitist Broadway, the Aria Pro II PE180, and the Epiphone Peerless Broadway. All through a Polytone Minibrute II, EQ flat all the way across, mic'd with a Bluebird microphone. It's funny, playing these guitars I can hear very different nuances in their sound, but on recordings, maybe it's YouTube's compression (??) they end up sounding very close to each other.

    Note: the Epiphone Peerless Broadway has a Seymour Duncan Seth Lover in the neck position.


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    Quote Originally Posted by andyb
    Thanks for the detailed reply, your right and I don't want to spend to much time on the recording side of things either. I have been playing around with microphone placement tonight, it's amazing how a inch of movement can effect the recorded sound.
    When I get the sound right I will take a look in to video, a whole different can of worms.
    At one point when I started doing clips for study groups, I spent a lot of time working out my recording routine. I'm glad I did, because now doing a clip is just one think I do in a practice time. I record a clip or two, watch them, listen, think about what is going on, note a few things to work out with my playing, then often I just delete it. I have about 3 ways to do a clip and it never takes more than about 5 minutes to set up.

    As in other endeavors, it provides for me a way to be objective about my own playing. Do I sound like THAT? Yes, I do. Do I LOOK like THAT? Yes, I do. I can critique my playing on a clip as honestly and ruthlessly as I would anyone else. Plus, I've lost the tendency to lock up when I hit the record button. I do this every day, so it's no big deal, nothing to get worked up about.

    It has been more helpful to me than the time and effort spent by some on how to hold their pick or whether it's authentically bebop-ish or not to use the pinky, you know?

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    Superb lawson-stone!

    I would like to see a small tutorial of the entire audio and video recording process. It's possible? You use Screenflow, right? Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by carlescountry
    Superb lawson-stone!

    I would like to see a small tutorial of the entire audio and video recording process. It's possible? You use Screenflow, right? Thanks!
    Yes, I use Screenflow simply because I already had it for recording lectures along with PowerPoint slides and being able to present the two feeds, me lecturing and the screen of the slides at the same time, picture in picture. It also allows me to add extra narration, captions, basic transition effects, etc.

    I actually do all my recording on my iPhone 6s. I have several ways to work. The easiest, but least flexible, is to run everything into my DV Mark Micro 50 head. The auxiliary input for the backing track on my iPad (using Capo! software) and the guitar in the regular input. I control the backing track levels from the iPad. The DV Mark has an XLR output, which I run to a ProSonus AudioBox iTwo, which in turn has an output to the iPhone.

    What I prefer is to run the backing track through the DV Mark, and the guitar through the Polytone Minibrute II. The Polytone can either be mic'd, into the ProSonus, or the direct pre-amp out, again, into the Pro-sonus. This allows me to record at the best volume for my own listening and playing, with each input set to send the best signal out. Again, the "Device" link on the ProSonus goes to my iPhone 6s.

    A final method drops the amps and just uses the two inputs on the ProSonus, one for the backing track, one for the guitar. Each adjusted for optimal input. I have to monitor on headphones when I do that. Again, output goes to the iPhone.

    I can import the iPhone video into ScreenFlow which allows me to take the double-input and balance the signal. I can pull back the backing track, boost the guitar track, and if I want, I can separate out the guitar track and EQ it or add a little reverb, and boost the output gain to the proper level for creating the clip.

    ScreenFlow then lets me control the export video, add fades, transitions, etc, add text boxes, put a picture behind the opening title screen, etc.

    So that's how I do it for now. Sometimes, actually, I just put the iPhone on the tripod and run everything through he DV mark and let the phone's mic do the work.

    I am certain there are better ways to do this, but have the cables, tripod, mic stand, amps, etc. all set up in a corner of my (obscenely large!) office, so late in the evening (my wife works late) after hours, I can practice and at the end, I make a few clips to see how it's going.

    Hope that helps!

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    [QUOTE=lawson-stone;753755]So here's my run at the "head" and the solo, played at a performance appropriate tempo of about 120-130 bpm. I was having trouble hearing my backing track on the head, and I also find the "head" portions of the Aebersold recording a little hard to play with anyhow. But it's a take on the head, and then the solo. Clams aplenty. I wish I could just post perfect clips of pristine playing, but it seems I can't deliver 64 measures of clean execution (*yet* but hope never dies!).

    Playing the Elitist Broadway through the Polytone, mic'ed with a "Bluebird" microphone.

    Loved everything about it Lawson! Tone, voice-leading, feel. Great job. Back to the shed for me!

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    Quote Originally Posted by carlescountry
    Superb lawson-stone!

    I would like to see a small tutorial of the entire audio and video recording process. It's possible? You use Screenflow, right? Thanks!
    BTW another approach with Screenflow would be simply to set your laptop with the webcam in a spot where you can fit into the picture and run the signal, however you capture it, through the USB port.

    For example, if you run the backing track and guitar into a single amp (that has an auxiliary input) you could set a digital mic in front of the amp and plug it into the USB port. If you do two channels (one for backing, one for guitar) run them into a box like the ProSonus AudioBox iTwo or the Focusrite Scarlett 2i2, get your inputs right on the USB device, then balance the two channels in Screenflow.

    You can always go direct into the USB device (like the two above) you'll just need headphones to monitor.

    Here's one I did that way and, to tell the truth, I think it sounds as good as anything else I've done!


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    Thank you lawson-stone for your kindness by sharing your recording experiences. They will be very useful to me. I get into it!
    Thanks, again.

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    Recuperating from a couple of procedures I had done since my last post, so I won't be putting up anything new this time around. I'll catch up with you all next week, when we get to play the whole dang thang!

    Stay tuned . . .

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    So I'm working on the problem I've encountered with recording in that guitars that sound quite different to me end up sounding the same in the recording. I did a take of the solo today with the ES175+Polytone, but mic'd the amp from about 5 feet away. Turned up the input gain on the mic channel and ran the backing track direct. This seems to capture the more distinctive tone of this particular guitar better than previous takes. So I'll need to try a comparative take later.

    But hypothesis to test: The distinctive tone of the guitar+amp combination is more apparent at a distance from the amp than with the mic up close.

    Also: playing this I've been a little freer with the tempo and feel… hope it sounds more like a real jazz solo!


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    Quote Originally Posted by lawson-stone
    So I'm working on the problem I've encountered with recording in that guitars that sound quite different to me end up sounding the same in the recording. I did a take of the solo today with the ES175+Polytone, but mic'd the amp from about 5 feet away. Turned up the input gain on the mic channel and ran the backing track direct. This seems to capture the more distinctive tone of this particular guitar better than previous takes. So I'll need to try a comparative take later.

    But hypothesis to test: The distinctive tone of the guitar+amp combination is more apparent at a distance from the amp than with the mic up close.

    Also: playing this I've been a little freer with the tempo and feel… hope it sounds more like a real jazz solo!

    Yes. Your guitars probably sound quite distinctive live, however there are many factors that compress your sound and make your guitars sound fairly indistinguishable.

    You are correct about mic placement of it is a little further away from your amp your sound will have a better chance to "breathe" before it hits the mic. When the mic is too close, it gets a lot of sound but the sound did to full potential. If the mic is too far you may lose too much sound through dissipation by the time it it hits your mic. In short, you need to experiment a lot with mic placement to find your sweet spot.

    Having said that, the entire process of: recording with a device that records audio as well as video, editing, processing, uploading to YouTube then reviewing your video on an iPad or phone or even a laptop involves several layers of compression. Your microphone probably compresses your sound, your video recorder probably compresses your sound, your editing software definitely compresses your sound and YouTube definitely compresses your sound. If you listen to the video through anything less than a high fidelity audio system, it probably is also compressing your sound. Ally that compression relieves the guitars of those subtle differences that make them unique. All that being said these are most likely the reasons your do not sound as distinctive on these videos as they do live.

    In short, don't sweat it. You sound great.

    I think everyone here has developed their ears enough so that we can hear those subtle distinctions in your guitars. I am sure that if we were to hear them live, they would be even more distinctive. However, for the purposes of forums like this with experienced guitarists, we can still hear those subtle differences. We know what are listening for.

    If you want to experiment with microphones and/or microphone placement that may be beneficial but I wouldn't spend too much time, money or energy on it.

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    But if I stop obsessing over fine distinctions in tone, what will I do? Practice? Learn more tunes? ;-)


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    Quote Originally Posted by lawson-stone
    But if I stop obsessing over fine distinctions in tone, what will I do? Practice? Learn more tunes? ;-)


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    Yes. Between obsessing over things beyond my control and procrastination, I have no time to practice.


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    On this version I'm playing my Conti Equity Model Black guitar. I'm also using Conti's preferred .38mm Jim Dunlop Nylon pick. I purchased the guitar back in August of 2013. The action is set pretty low on it. I noticed on Conti's web site he doesn't sell this model any longer.

    I also purchased a new Logitech C920 HD Pro web cam. I noticed the auto focus jumped out once or twice. I'll have to see what's on on this. It does make a big difference though than my old web cam.



    Again, thanks for starting up this group.

    Mike
    Last edited by MikeS; 03-25-2017 at 10:12 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeS
    On this version I'm playing my Conti Equity Model Black guitar. I'm also using Conti's preferred .38mm Jim Dunlop Nylon pick. I purchased the guitar back in August of 2013. The action is set pretty low on it. I noticed on Conti's web site he doesn't sell this model any longer.

    I also purchased a new Logitech C920 HD Pro web cam. I noticed the auto focus jumped out once or twice. I'll have to see what's on on this. It does make a big difference though than my old web cam.



    Again, thanks for starting up this group.

    Mike
    I'm curious about the Latin feel you're using there. That's a very different way to do "Satin Doll" from the typical medium swing style. I never thought of trying that, but have made a note to see how it works that way.

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    Wow. Guys I was about to record a clip for today and the phone rang, and it was a call from Robert Conti himself! Guys he reads this thread, he listens to our clips, he's really following our progress with a lot of interest and empathy for our struggles. I'm 62 years old and I've had a chance to rub shoulders with some pretty respected people in their various professional fields that overlapped with mine, but to get a call from him with some feedback, encouragement, and suggestions about my playing… that was completely unexpected and the conversation was delightful. Here's a guy who just loves this music, loves guitars, and really loves players.

    It's kind of exciting knowing he really is following our progress through these solos!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lawson-stone
    Wow. Guys I was about to record a clip for today and the phone rang, and it was a call from Robert Conti himself! Guys he reads this thread, he listens to our clips, he's really following our progress with a lot of interest and empathy for our struggles. I'm 62 years old and I've had a chance to rub shoulders with some pretty respected people in their various professional fields that overlapped with mine, but to get a call from him with some feedback, encouragement, and suggestions about my playing… that was completely unexpected and the conversation was delightful. Here's a guy who just loves this music, loves guitars, and really loves players.

    It's kind of exciting knowing he really is following our progress through these solos!
    Great Lawson! As if I don't have enough trouble trying to record an error-free solo without knowing that Mr. Conti is watching. (BTW, how did he get your phone number?). Cheers!

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    Quote Originally Posted by losaltosjoe
    Great Lawson! As if I don't have enough trouble trying to record an error-free solo without knowing that Mr. Conti is watching. (BTW, how did he get your phone number?). Cheers!
    I imagine it was easy. I have my home town on my profile, and so he likely used directory assistance. Or maybe figured out the school I teach at and called the switchboard.

    Actually, my sense in talking to him was that he's not critical, but encouraging and cheering us on.

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    For those of you following my recent quest to acquire a Gibson L5ces, here is our solo played on my recent acquisition.

    Somehow, I feel my playing is unworthy of such a fine instrument, but I will soldier on somehow.


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    Quote Originally Posted by lawson-stone
    For those of you following my recent quest to acquire a Gibson L5ces, here is our solo played on my recent acquisition.

    Somehow, I feel my playing is unworthy of such a fine instrument, but I will soldier on somehow.
    Great job Lawson! And congrats again on the L5.

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    Here is my effort at Satin Doll with the melody plus the full 32 bar Conti solo. It took a handful of takes but I can live with this one. During the melody section I use a couple of fills that I stole from Graham Dechter (see the video in post #49, 0:45 - 1:05).

    Has anyone else experienced the law of diminishing returns? I continue to practice this solo but I'm not necessarily sure I'm producing better results. It must be sign that it is time to move on to project #2, Green Dolphin Street. I look forward to hearing your posts.

    Project Epilog: The wife says if she hears me playing Satin Doll one more time she's leaving me.



  46. #245

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeS
    On this version I'm playing my Conti Equity Model Black guitar. I'm also using Conti's preferred .38mm Jim Dunlop Nylon pick. I purchased the guitar back in August of 2013. The action is set pretty low on it. I noticed on Conti's web site he doesn't sell this model any longer.

    I also purchased a new Logitech C920 HD Pro web cam. I noticed the auto focus jumped out once or twice. I'll have to see what's on on this. It does make a big difference though than my old web cam.


    Again, thanks for starting up this group.

    Mike
    Nice playing, Mike -- you sound good with the pick, too! Did it take awhile to get used to a pick, after using your fingers for so long? You seemed pretty comfortable with it.

    Thanks for playing your Conti on this one -- great sound!

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    Quote Originally Posted by losaltosjoe
    Here is my effort at Satin Doll with the melody plus the full 32 bar Conti solo. It took a handful of takes but I can live with this one. During the melody section I use a couple of fills that I stole from Graham Dechter (see the video in post #49, 0:45 - 1:05).

    Has anyone else experienced the law of diminishing returns? I continue to practice this solo but I'm not necessarily sure I'm producing better results. It must be sign that it is time to move on to project #2, Green Dolphin Street. I look forward to hearing your posts.

    Project Epilog: The wife says if she hears me playing Satin Doll one more time she's leaving me.
    Sounds good, Joe! Maybe before we start in on "Green Dolphin Street," we could all weigh in on whether or not we can/should try to move a little faster through that one. Now that we've got one under our belts, we might agree that we don't need as much time to master a solo as we first thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lawson-stone
    For those of you following my recent quest to acquire a Gibson L5ces, here is our solo played on my recent acquisition.

    Somehow, I feel my playing is unworthy of such a fine instrument, but I will soldier on somehow.

    Nice playing, Lawson! Interesting to compare your first time through this solo with the one you did here. You seem really at home with it, and able to do a little bit here and there to make the lines your own.

    Congratulations on getting your L5 -- I know you've wanted one for some time now, and I bet it's a thrill to have it at long last!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lawson-stone
    Wow. Guys I was about to record a clip for today and the phone rang, and it was a call from Robert Conti himself! Guys he reads this thread, he listens to our clips, he's really following our progress with a lot of interest and empathy for our struggles. I'm 62 years old and I've had a chance to rub shoulders with some pretty respected people in their various professional fields that overlapped with mine, but to get a call from him with some feedback, encouragement, and suggestions about my playing… that was completely unexpected and the conversation was delightful. Here's a guy who just loves this music, loves guitars, and really loves players.

    It's kind of exciting knowing he really is following our progress through these solos!
    That is exciting -- and it's cool to know he's following the thread and wishing us well. Personally, when the new year rolled around, I was about ready to give up on ever making any real progress in learning this music. I bought every "must-have" jazz guitar book, DVD, or online teacher anyone recommended, and couldn't make head nor tail of most of it. Any time Conti would have a sale, I'd pick something up, if I could, but always put it on the shelf with everything else.

    Finally, as I was getting ready to throw in the towel, I looked at all of the Conti materials I had accumulated and realized I'd never really given them an honest shot. Once I started to dig in on it, practice started being fun for the first time in a long time, and I finally feel like I'm starting to get somewhere.

  50. #249

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeS
    On this version I'm playing my Conti Equity Model Black guitar. I'm also using Conti's preferred .38mm Jim Dunlop Nylon pick. I purchased the guitar back in August of 2013. The action is set pretty low on it. I noticed on Conti's web site he doesn't sell this model any longer.

    I also purchased a new Logitech C920 HD Pro web cam. I noticed the auto focus jumped out once or twice. I'll have to see what's on on this. It does make a big difference though than my old web cam.

    Again, thanks for starting up this group.

    Mike
    Well done Mike! I really enjoyed your take on the solo. Cheers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snailspace
    Nice playing, Mike -- you sound good with the pick, too! Did it take awhile to get used to a pick, after using your fingers for so long? You seemed pretty comfortable with it.

    Thanks for playing your Conti on this one -- great sound!
    Thanks, much appreciated. I started practicing with the pick with Conti's The Precision Technique book. If you watch Conti, he barely moves his hand. I'm still working on my right hand and his fingering protocol.

    Thanks again.