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I had a moment today and took a quick take on the Autumn leaves arpeggio study.
It is five choruses, one for each position. It is fun to do!
Have a nice day everybody!
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05-07-2012 01:31 PM
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PS: fep - hope we'll have a sundowner together some day :-)
I actually was in San Diego in march for a conference and *loved* it there. I was at the Croce bar with my wife and a real nice band was playing and i was chatting a bit with the guitar player - a very nice guy (Steve Wilcox is his name if I remember correctly. He had a nice old Gibson Barney Kessel). Won't get there too often though as i am based in germany.
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Originally Posted by FrankLearns
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Originally Posted by FrankLearns
You definitely have this down beyond what the chapters ask for. And that is a good exercise, doing all the patterns in one exercise.
I'd like to point out to everyone, Frank played all the arpeggios in every minor pattern in under 2 minutes. Once you have learned these patterns it really doesn't take much time to do maintenance practice. 5 minutes a day should be enough.
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many thanks for the friendly comments!
I admit that the sound clip was pieced together from two takes. I am getting more fluent but still make mistakes. I agree that just a few minutes every day during warmup helps a lot. I noticed that it would be difficult for me to change direction midway through the arpeggio and do the next one properly. I guess that is the point of the ercersizes in the next chapters
I took a look this morning into what is following next in the book. I guess we would again treat two chapters at the same time?! This more or less looks like a very central part of the book and one probably should, as Elliot proposes, spend significant time on the connecting game for the standard progressions. Looks like a very useful practice assignment!
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Hey guys, I can't find the Autumn Leaves exercise in the book.
My vision is getting better (love those morning shots in the stomach!), but print as small (looks small to me) as that in the Elliot book is at least a month away, so I'm making use of my accidentally-purchased 2nd copy, taking off the spine and scanning the pages for screen reading.
Anyway, a page # will help big time.
kj
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Originally Posted by Kojo27
To some extent we are jumping ahead of ourselves because the Autumn leaves chord progression already contains the 2-5-1 (Major) and 6-2-5-1 (Minor) "standard situations" that Elliot is talking about in the next chapter. Playing these arpeggios in the way we practiced them is already part of the "connecting game".
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Originally Posted by FrankLearns
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FrankLearns is right, the "Autumn Leaves" exercise is not in the book. I "invented" it by taking the minor shapes through the cycle of fourths, rather than diatonically ascending and descending. I did this because I was using my ear to hear my way through the changes, rather than knowing the shapes and using that knowledge to play the arps. When I did that, I discovered that AL is simply a diatonic journey though the harmonized natural minor scale.
I've also horsed around with other progressions: ascending fifths, descending whole steps, etc. These take the ear out of the equation and force me to recognize shapes and scale degrees, rather than relying on my hearing a familiar progression.
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Originally Posted by FrankLearns
Anyway, good job, FrankL. I can't do them all in a seamless row without screwing up, but I'm working on it. Very impressive.
Originally Posted by FatJeff
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OK since fep has been hounding us to upload videos of us playing, here's a half-assed attempt. Major arps, Elliot's Patterns I and IV (Shapes 3 and 7 according to Bruno).
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Originally Posted by FatJeff
Also, I dig your right hand. I've recently switched to "floating," and to picking mostly from the elbow (everybody groan together) as Django did (now everybody stop groaning.)
Are you holding your pick with two fingers?
kj
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Originally Posted by Kojo27
Originally Posted by FrankLearns
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Originally Posted by FatJeff
Also - nice tort pickguard. Dig that look.
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Originally Posted by onetruevibe
Originally Posted by Kojo27
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Originally Posted by FatJeff
You gave me an idea. My forum name should be 'HoundDog', that's much better than fep (fep = my initials).
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This Study Group is really going good.
Gersdal's worksheet, Brian's interactive arpeggio tool, all the ideas of variations on practicing the arpeggios, the recordings. I think this is what it's all about.
Thanks everyone.
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Here's a corrected version of my pdf. I think (hope) it's all correct now ... Let me know if you find something that has skipped my check.
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Originally Posted by fep
FYI - I blew off weed-wacking the back yard yesterday and added an intervalic fretboard option to the arpeggio tool instead. When I think about the character of a chord/arpeggio, I think in terms of intervals, not note names.
So, yeah...this makes more sense to me.
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Originally Posted by fep
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"This is one of the best jazz guitar sites I've ever seen. It might be THE best, in many ways. Matt Warnock's site is awesome, too. In tandem with this one right here, a jazz guitarist shouldn't need much else." - Kojo27.
Based on your comments here, I presume you would not bother to look at Dave’s site and that it would be unproductive for others to do so?
Kojo27, I'm not putting this site down in any way-at least that was not my intention. I spent several months reading the Theory and Getting Started sections and now have worked my way into the Improvisation section. I think this is a great site. However, unlike what you appear to believe, I find nothing wrong with referencing other work if it adds to our body of knowledge, saves us time, helps us learn more, or supplements a course we are taking. Much of the value in this site (jazzguitar.be/forum) lies in the vast world of additional knowledge it references on a daily basis.
If you prefer not to use the site I listed, that is certainly your prerogative. If you find fault with it, I would love to hear your analysis, perhaps in a private message or another forum. I am a novice with jazz guitar music but my ears perk up when someone seems to suggest that we have all that is necessary and that nothing else is needed. This site wouldn’t be here if that were the prevailing attitude of its many contributors.
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Originally Posted by Oldern
I meant that Dave's site, which you linked me to, is "...one of the best jazz guitar sites I've ever seen. It might be THE best, in many ways." "This" is one of the best.... meant "this one mentioned in the post I've quoted." I can see how it was confusing.
So, this is YOUR suggested site I'm talking about. I went on to say that Matt Warnock has a great jazz site, too, and that Dave's site, together with Matt's, might be all a body needs for learning jazz guitar. (Besides listening, practice, a good teacher, etc. I meant all you need for instructional material.)
I'm at Dave's site right now, actually - reading his insightful essays ("read this first...) - sorry if the post above was unclear.
kjLast edited by Kojo27; 05-11-2012 at 11:40 AM.
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Thank yew, Kojo27! I thought tentatively and briefly you may have meant that Dave's site was good. I will be extemely interested in any comments you have about Dave's site. I have a ton of stuff I downloaded when he began to shuck old stuff to make room for new stuff.
Take a look at his analysis of You Stepped Out Of A Dream. Even I could learn that tune if I would take the time.
Oldern
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Well.. first ... this is a major technical breakthrough ... I've taped a video ... I've created a youtube account ... and I managed to upload the video
The content is just me doing one of the arps ... It's getting better, nowhere close to perfect...
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^ Great job Gersdal, you played that real well.
And congrats on the technological breakthrough.
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