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Originally Posted by JohnRoss
Well, Melancholy Baby is an earlier generation of pop song, Victorian/Edwardian period, different style of harmonization. That's what I mean about the b9 having been a rule-breaker, twenty years before it just wasn't done.
Igrew up with my dad's 78s, the Original Dixieland Jazz Band and stuff.
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03-18-2011 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Aristotle
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Anyone else here call the fifth mode of the Harm minor the 'Gypsy' scale ?
Not keen on the term ' Phrygian Dominant'
whats Phrygian about it ? its not a iii chord ....... its a V chord innit ?
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Greek dominant
Spanish dominant
lol... world dominant. Every body wants to lay claim to it.
HM's V mode. It's Phrygian from the relative major. A Phrygian Dominant is from the relative major key of F Major. It's descriptive enough. I think of it as III7, personally, but that's just me.
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Originally Posted by JohnRoss
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Originally Posted by JonnyPac
doh i get it now ..... thanks man
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Aristotle... I like the point you brought up about thinking about HM or MM when soloing....You were saying you never thought about it.... That's a interesting point... when we play...we don't really mechanically jump around fitting scales together... playing number games... or them playing us. Well I don't most of the time... I just play what I hear at that moment in time. But when I was in the music business of arranging and composing music, I was forced to think in all terms of music... every attack had a complete vertical collection of notes... and part of my job was to make choices as to what that collection of notes was and what they implied... When you play or hear through changes with melody as with your old standards example... do you hear what is simply realized or played...or do you hear complete harmonic structures... I hear total structures... or should I say many complete structures... and then I choose the one(s) I like at that moment in time. My choice changes depending on context etc...
I can't remember how I thought as a kid....I was classically trained, but I think I was simply looking for more notes as compared to where or what harmonic areas they came from... Anyone else... please weigh in also, may not go anywhere but interesting...Reg
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Originally Posted by Reg
Not to get too far afield, but in another thread, they were talking altered pentatonic. C,D,Eb,G,A and suggesting various names. I said C blues and got a little flak for it. Well, the C is in the root position. When I look at that pitch collection the first thing pops into to mind is those are the notes to most of the head of Ray Charles, Hallelujah I just Lover Her So, (originally in F I think). What scale is it? I don't know. What mode is it when the music changes to the IV chord? I don't know. But, if it's a theory test, I can do the math.
Getting back to what you were saying about 'dated.' There are only a few chronological options. Given the 100 years of "standard" material we have, one can either: 1) play a song in its original way, 2 update an oldie, or 3) play something as if it were more old-fashioned. Somewhere in there are pitch collectoins that someone is going to call "harmonic minor."Last edited by Aristotle; 03-19-2011 at 02:17 PM.
any analysis for this chord progression?
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