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here's another clip of Dan Wilson's benson grip. Hard to go wrong with Peter or Dan's classes on this technique. We live in a wonderful age of online lesson material!
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08-14-2018 08:52 AM
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Hey Jack, what I’m saying is that the angle of the pick is not as important as you guys are thinking. There are many types of hands, bigger, smaller, longer. So it s natural that the position will be quite different. But there is NO George Benson technique without the left hand technique. I told you that it was possible to sound like GB without the angled picking, yes indeed. However, the angled picking helps a lot. What I do is exactly what Benson has showed me. If you watch the Take Five live version you will understand where my technique comes from. I do not mind if you think other guitar players are better Benson pickers than myself, it is just your opinion and I respect that, and always will. However I was Benson 15 years student so when I say something about it I know what I m talking about. Well, what I can say is that playing with an angled pick does not mean picking like GB, not at all.
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you've completely mis-characterized what I said.
First of all, i never said others were "better" than you at anything. I would never say that, particularly not in public. What I said was that certain others such as wilson, jones, bailey's hand positions appear to be closer to benson's.
But I also went out of my way to point out you nail the benson "thing" to the extent that benson selected *YOU* to co-author the benson picking method so it seems that you are cherry-picking points of contention with what I said.
At any rate, take care brother. Guitar forums...pfffttt
Talking about playing is about as meaningful as talking about the taste of food.
Originally Posted by Peterfarrell1818
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Originally Posted by Peterfarrell1818
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Originally Posted by Peterfarrell1818
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When he goes in to turbo note spam mode he appears to lock up that thumb/finger/pick whole area, which makes sense.
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Originally Posted by djg
BTW, there's good reason to think this technique was also in use back in the middle ages. As rest stroke ('gypsy') picking is also present in a number of techniques worldwide including Oud technique, it seems that if something is a good idea it gets invented and reinvented over and over.
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Here's a little thought-oid
The mention of Gypsy Picking makes me think of the fact that there is a larger class of players who employ downward pick slanting in trad-ish grips such as Tal Farlow, Joe Pass and probably Charlie Christian but who don't qualify as 'Gypsy pickers' because they like the wrist angle, biomechanics and other specifics of the approach.
In the same way, there are players who are probably in the larger class of 'thumb-under pickers' like Adam Rogers, Sebastian Giniaux and err... me on alternate Tuesdays - who have not been students of Peter, Rodney Jones or GB himself etc but like the sound and feel of the thumb under approach.
OTOH there seems to be differences in the exact application of Benson picking within those players too.
I find with a thumb under high angle of attack approach, the limitations of downward pick slanting don't really seem to apply so much. Which is funny given how GB's picking directions seems to resemble those of trad Gypsy style picking. In contrast Adam Rogers is a two way economy picker.
I also recall in Tuck Andress's seminal article his saying that Benson varied the positioning of the picking hand over the years - IIRC is that something anyone has looked into?
It's a shame I find hybrid picking and muting so awkward with a thumb under grip.
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I'm not so sure this approach has been "taught". Dan grew up playing in the black church. When he and I used to jam 15 years ago, I asked him about benson picking and i'm pretty sure he wasn't even aware of it then. It's just how he learned to play. I don't think he studied benson and other players and decided that was the way he should pick...
Originally Posted by christianm77
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Originally Posted by jzucker
But you know that Sheryl and Miles Okazaki are out of Rodney Jones dojo. I think Miles hung with George himself a bit too.
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Originally Posted by christianm77
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As one of Peter's student I can testify that he really knows what he is talking about and he clearly demonstrates this during his lessons. He also explained to students that some differences may occur because size of the hands. As Peter stated here, LEFT hand fingerings are equally important.
But, what is most important is that this is just a tool for expressing ideas, musical thoughts. And this is where Peter's teachings really shine. He shows the GEORGE'S METHOD, not just picking. Lessons are really well structured and fun. Peter takes care of each student and holds no secret about anything.
He plays like magician.
Mile
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Originally Posted by pcsanwald
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Here's another clip of dan just gettin' it!
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Originally Posted by christianm77
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Miles Okazaki.
From: Miles Okazaki: Cleaning the Mirror
"Jones ended up acting as a major influence on Okazaki from a technical standpoint. "He saw that a lot to work on," Okazaki continues. "I had some good facility on the guitar at that time, but my technique was pretty poor in terms of knowing the history of the instrument. I had just tried to pick up stuff from other instruments. I had just tried to pick up stuff from other instruments. I had to reinvent my technique, which took about two years of sounding really bad, where I had to change my whole posture, position, everything."
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Originally Posted by M-ster
A great funny phrase ...classic.
Not taking anything away from the very talented Dan Wilson -Last edited by Robertkoa; 10-18-2018 at 08:10 PM.
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Here's a clip showing Sebastien Giniaux's technique. It is amazing how fast and clean he can play with this "unorthodox" technique.
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Originally Posted by geese_com
* I don't really care
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Originally Posted by jzucker
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More medievals having a cheeky benson pick
In seriousness, I think it's well known that Gypsy rest-stroke picking is used in a number of cultures around the world, probably discovered independently, but it also seems true of Benson picking, and I wonder if there are any other cultures that use it?
If it's a good idea, people end up using it....
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Originally Posted by geese_com
Last edited by Robertkoa; 08-27-2018 at 08:39 PM.
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Originally Posted by Robertkoa
To be honest, Tres Cubano players tend not to sound too much like Django.
I’m presuming the fellas in the medieval manuscripts weren’t playing This Masquerade.
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I love this Rhythm Section .
And Guitar George DOES make it cry and sing with some nice vibrato here.
I have to say this in a somewhat 'politically correct' way ..Christian and others have mentioned the' African Diaspora' in Jazz...and I think Benson is the ultimate embodiment of that on Jazz Guitar...he is very eloquent but extremely raw and funky
more than any Jazz Guitarist I have ever heard and more than most of if not not all the R&B Guitarists I have ever heard..
A truly inspirational Player as well as a seriously bad ass Guitarist.. most Jazz Guitarists seem very restrained compared to GB ....despite his skills he is raw and emotional like a great Blues or R&B Player [ only better usually ]he considers himself an 'upstart' and he really sounds like one .Last edited by Robertkoa; 08-28-2018 at 06:12 PM.
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Look how Benson was holding his pick in 1963!
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