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Originally Posted by M-ster
#1. Yes!
#3. It depends on what your exact problems are. I think that if you can play fast figures on a single string, picking every note, but have trouble changing strings efficiently, and want to remedy this and get much faster, it's a definite buy. If most of your technique is together but there are certain picking moves or figures that always screw you up and you don't know why, it's a definite buy.
Edited to add: there's a lot of material in the paid subscription and it's helpful to know where to start to get the specific help you want. For me, it was the "antigravity" section that covered all my questions in the OP, but I had to email them to figure that out. If I hadn't, I might have spent a while watching other stuff that wasn't as relevant.
Also, know that I more or less got the answers to my questions I'm not sure if I will keep up with the $20/month subscription. I may just sign up again if there are specific/new videos I want to check out, because I could definitely see myself just not watching the stuff again for a while. He's very thorough and really lays it all out for you.Last edited by JakeAcci; 12-04-2015 at 10:51 AM.
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12-04-2015 10:49 AM
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Whoah, this whole discussion and the Troy Grady videos are very, very interesting. I've been unhappy with my picking for a while, and this does indeed seem to be helping. I may also pay for a month of the full videos, though I've gotten an awful lot of useful info from the huge amount of free stuff.
I think most jazz players will be most interested in "two-way pick slanting" as Jake indicates (as opposed to pure downward or upward pick slanting.)
I normally use economy picking. I've found (as someone mentioned earlier in the thread), that lends itself to downward slanting with playing ascending figures (higher pitch, not toward the ceiling), and upward slanting playing descending. It's working pretty well for me so far. (I realize Jake and others are interested in strict alternate for aesthetic reasons--just pointing out what works for me so far.)
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Originally Posted by JakeAcci
Again, thanks for bringing this up!Last edited by dingusmingus; 12-05-2015 at 08:14 PM.
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If you'd like to sidestep all the issues of pickslanting, give Troy's latest video a watch, about crosspicking, which is a way of allowing strict alternate picking without having to worry about pickslanting at all.
He mentions that the movements used in crosspicking don't work at the highest of tempos, at which point you have to go back to pickslanting, but if you don't want to play at the massively high speeds as a matter of course, it might be worth looking at.
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Originally Posted by Shadow of the Sun
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Originally Posted by dasein
EDIT: The stuff about leaving the string on an upstroke concerns going from higher to lower string. When going from lower to higher and you leave on a downstroke you can just sweep to the higher string, of course, a bit like Bruno is doing it.Last edited by MatsP; 03-24-2016 at 01:33 PM.
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i bought the eric johnson masterclass. I don't see any point trying to change the angle upward and downward while you're alternating. In general, I love the lines he presents but personally, 90% of each lesson is just wasted time. The stories and anecdotes etc., could be cut down to a fraction if he just presented the material. I still highly recommend because $70 for the eric johnson class - for example - is dirt cheap compared to lessons and you can get a lot out of this if you put your mind to it.
I just wish he had a composite of just the playing examples of all 30+ lessons. I figure he could get it down to something like 60 minutes total.
I just skipped over the pick slanting stuff.
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Originally Posted by jzucker
I like all the story telling personally.... But that's me :-)
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Originally Posted by christianm77
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Originally Posted by christianm77
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Originally Posted by ghoststrat
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Originally Posted by jzucker
The point with slanting the pick downwards, as I see it, is to improve the rotational movement of the wrist (completely different from Bruno's approach) while still keeping the hand close to the guitar for possible damping. It becomes a sort of "in and out" movement in relation to the string. But then again, you'll have to be careful to leave each string on an upstroke if you're going to a lower string, which forces you to plan your strokes. I have hitherto been very careful about keeping my pick "unslanted", since it allows you to leave the strings on any stroke, and it's required in order to use Bruno's technique (which is more or less economy picking with the main movement from the forearm).
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Originally Posted by MatsP
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Originally Posted by christianm77
In fact, there isn't a lot of slanting necessary, since the main movement is from the forearm, and the relaxed hand sort of "glides" over the strings.Last edited by MatsP; 03-25-2016 at 08:00 AM.
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Yes, I'm wondering if a conscious micromanagement of pick angle is really necessary for economy styles. I was a pretty decent economy guy at one point. I never worried about it, but I held the pick quite lightly.
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Originally Posted by christianm77
Last edited by MatsP; 03-25-2016 at 11:06 AM.
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Originally Posted by christianm77
But again, I highly recommend the master series video if you are interested in taking your playing to another level. Despite my criticisms, the material contains at least 1 gem in every video. And for me, $70 for 30 gems is great deal...Last edited by jzucker; 03-25-2016 at 11:42 AM.
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Originally Posted by christianm77
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Frank is not alternating between down and up-slanting when he plays his swept pentatonic patterns. The transition between up and down sweeping happens every 2 notes. There's no way you could play a pattern like that with 16 notes equal to 160 and above with alternating up and down slanting. The best approach is to have the pick flat so you are not cheating one way or the other or it will make rapid transitions impossible.
It's different for the heavy metal players who tend to sweep an entire arpeggio from low to high and back to low. You can easily employ pick slanting for that but for jazz players, the string change directions happen too often.
Originally Posted by jzucker
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Originally Posted by jzucker
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Originally Posted by jzucker
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Originally Posted by ghoststrat
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Originally Posted by jzucker
I know this isn't exactly what you were talking about, but it's one of several places I've seen F's hand do the slanting:
Also, having listened to a lot of interviews, watched tons of videos, and been through everything of Troy Grady's that I can find/afford, there are a lot of times that the player thinks they're doing one thing, but the micro-view shows something different.
That being said, until I see differently, I believe what you're saying about FG playing those passages and not adjusting his pick angle even a little bit.
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Is it not possible that you could try and keep the pick straight, but slant it slightly anyway, unconciously?
Playing around with sweeping today I notice that it's good to not let the pick go over too far. Also the shape of the pick can help with the sweep if you are picking edge on to some extent.
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how can you know if he's slanting since you can't see the pick?
And Christianm77, there's no way you can play pentatonic pattern sweeps at 16th notes @160bmp with 2 and 3 note per string patterns alternating so rapidly doing up and down directions every 2 or 3 notes with slanting. It's just not physically possible and would be so much wasted movement that you would never be able to play fast. I still think you guys are confusing the idea of playing ascending from low to high string and then descending from high to low string with changing direction continually all over the place. As I said before, if you're winding your way through a pattern where all the sweeps are ascending it's easy to tilt that way and then tilt the other way when you start descending but if you're truly improvising or playing a pattern that changes direction continuously it's impossible to uptilt and downtilt. You'd waste too much motion.
There may be some slight angle changes but the changes are definitely not +45 and -45.
Originally Posted by ghoststrat
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