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The three amps I use the most are my polytone mega brute with a 15, my 65 fender pro with a Kendrick reverb tank, and my early 90s Petersen 100. Mostly the polytone. I'm going to Denver later in April and picking parlor there has Henriksens in stock and I will take my polytone and an archtop to see how those sound compared to my polytone.
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03-29-2024 07:36 PM
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OK, those are all great amps, nothing wrong there
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A lifetime's collection. :-)
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Originally Posted by voyage
We are listening to a hi-fi recording, i.e. a virtual representation of reality.
You know there are many ways to record a sound and there are so many parameters involved that have greater influence than pickup magnets.
In this clip it appears like he's using one of the most iconic amps; a Fender 5E3 Deluxe.
When we plug humbuckers into a 5E3 and play on low clean volume, this is typically what it sounds like. With this amp I prefer A5 magnets, not too hot. T-Tops or similar is a good match with a 5E3. Also note the pickup selector in middle position. Also note the white pedal on top of that amp, which most likely is a reverb pedal jumpered into the second channel. Instant Jazz. Good luck.
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Maybe a bit off topic, as this is P90 only, but...
I have been chasing a tone for months - it was my friend's 1952 ES-140 with original Gibson P90, that had the sweetest highs. I have an Archtop Tribute ATC175 that had a P90 with Alnico 5s and I found it a bit brittle/thin on the top E string. I concluded it must be the Alnico 5s, so replaced it with a Bare Knuckle Half Note (Alnico 3s), much sweeter/rounder on the high E now. Not quite "the tone" but I'm more than happy with it and it's a fabulous guitar all round - light, resonant, easy to play...
Over the months since I returned my friend's ES-140, I tried a number of 50's ES-125s and one ES-175 that just didn't have it, a '49 ES-150 came close. Then I recently found a 1952 ES-125 (original P90) that had the exact same sweetness and bought it on the spot. Most satisfying sound to my ears of any jazz guitar I have played. Obviously old P90 with the mojo and Alnico 2s, right? No, it seems Gibson used Alnico 5s in the '50s (there's a photo of a catalogue on one of the threads here), or possibly something similar to Alnico 4s (another thread somewhere with a link to a study).
And to buy the ES-125 I had to sell my 2018 ES-330 (MHS P90s with Alnico 2s), that had the same brittle high E which I couldn't tame with higher gauge flats, nylon saddles etc.
So in conclusion, my experience is the magnets may make a difference, but it's far from simple, and changing to a different type won't guarantee you anything.
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Originally Posted by edpirie
Tip: A Dogear P-90 can't be lowered, but could be raised by adding a shim. Regardless, carefully adjust the pole screws for string-to string balance.
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Originally Posted by John A.
Originally Posted by jorgemg1984Originally Posted by JCat
Agreed! Now that we know what OP is shooting for specifically...
I do think a 335 will do the job. But there's validity in the 24-fret neck comment. And if Stryker is playing with the tone full up, it's the amp more than the pickup generating that tone.
I also think rolling the tone knob down with your current setup could help alot, even if that's not what Stryker does. It's never a one solution formula. Guitar type + pickup + amp + player's touch. Even the PICK can make quite a difference. You'll have to do some experimenting. But if your current guitar is a 335 with a stock Gibson PAF in it, IMHO it'll do the job... you need to look more at amps, or turn your tone control down a bit. Or maybe get an EQ pedal to help your amp sound differently than it was designed to. There's more than one way to get it done. Having a 335 gets you at least halfway there already.
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Originally Posted by voyage
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voyage, all the clips except for the Rick Stone one sound round and warm but still with some treble harmonic detail. This is exactly the effect of a lower value volume pot, where it doesn't chop off the nice warm harmonics like a tone pot, it just attenuates them. Yes, you can just turn down a regular value volume pot, but if you actually want to be able to use your volume pot as its intended purpose to set the volume instead of only setting it to darken the tone, I'd recommend you get lower value volume pots. 200k if you want it medium warm, and 100k if you want it super warm. The Rick Stone clip sounds like he has the tone turned down. Imo, this is such a no brainer. Pots are like $5.
Last edited by Bobby Timmons; 03-30-2024 at 01:38 PM.
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Originally Posted by John A.
Bear in mind that Jimmy claimed that trial and error in choosing a pickup is pointless and people should just listen to him because he's an expert on the tone of pickup magnets.
Originally Posted by John A.Originally Posted by jorgemg1984
Originally Posted by John A.Originally Posted by jorgemg1984Last edited by Bobby Timmons; 03-30-2024 at 01:43 PM.
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Originally Posted by ruger9
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Originally Posted by JCat
We also cannot see the controls of the amp; if he's got the tone full up on the guitar, he might have it full down on the amp. Also, we're probably hearing the signal through the desk and we don't know what EQ the engineer is applying.
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Originally Posted by Cunamara
But your general observation is correct and important: We don't know anything about how the clip was recorded. Maybe the amp is just for show
(My rig: 335 > Deluxe sounds pretty much like that)Last edited by JCat; 03-30-2024 at 01:47 PM.
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Originally Posted by John A.
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Originally Posted by voyage
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Originally Posted by Jimmy Smith
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Lol, reread.
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Originally Posted by DawgBone
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^ I would do that when I played guitar. Felt more comfortable too.
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Originally Posted by Jimmy Smith
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Originally Posted by Jimmy SmithLast edited by John A.; 03-30-2024 at 06:54 PM.
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Thanks. What do you mean by jumpered into the second channel?
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Yeah, it's definitely a crap shoot and with custom pickups you can't swap them back for something else with Seymour Duncan.
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Originally Posted by voyage
"Jumpering" means that we connect the two channels using an instrument cable in front, typically a patch cable plugged between the 2nd jack of the 1st channel > 1st jack of the 2nd channel. Then you plug your guitar into the 1st jack of the 1st channel and are good to go; now you can blend the volume of the respective channel to taste. This works for most old 4-hole amps, like Fender Tweeds and Marshalls.
Now, if you replace the jumper patch cable with a reverb pedal, you get an old school "FX loop". Some reverb pedals are designed for this purpose.
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Ok John A. Have fun with your point that when I suggest using resistance to darken rather than capacitance it's wrong, but when you suggest it it's right. It makes sense in your head so that's all that counts!
Originally Posted by voyage
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Thanks. What is formvar and vintage wind? Can Seymour Duncan do that? Will they know what it means? Which one is the softer more syrupy spongy sound vintage or hot wind?
None of those pickups you mentioned are available in seven seven string
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