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Nice to see someone using a non-valve Fender Champ - underrated, reliable (mine was last serviced 7 years ago), light, great tones for jazz.
And at 25lbs, my 80's Champion 30 1 x 10 conveniently fits snugly into a 'Sainsbury's' heavy duty grocery carry bag (if it rains, I turn the bag upside down).
Too bad that when I recently bought an early 90's hybrid solid state/valve 1 x 12 Fender Champ 25se on E-Bay, it turned out to be the biggest and heaviest Champ amp Fender ever made, I think (38lbs) - and no, it won't fit into the 'Sainsbury's' carry bag !
But......described by one online owner-reviewer as "like having half a Fender Twin", the clean channel alone is indeed truly classy - and certainly worth the $188-00 (£150-00 equivalent) it cost me here in the UK. Sound-wise it's also not a million miles away from one of my favourite all-time amp sounds - the 80's Musicmaster 1 x 12 RD-65 - but at a fraction of the cost of sourcing a vintage one over here (around £500 - £600).
So no, I don't feel a chump for owning two Champs - I'll just check the weight and dimensions a bit more closely if I ever buy another ....
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06-08-2022 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Spook410
Anecdote: had a friend who was a true athlete, he could play any sport...with or without "proper" gear..We all had the latest driver and iron golf sets..he showed up with those really old hickory bendy rusty sticks and blew his drives/irons way past ours....He could just play golf, hockey, foot you name it....So yah, you can play Jazz on any guitar you want....
RayLast edited by RayS; 06-08-2022 at 07:12 PM.
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Originally Posted by John A.
The champ…. What does that thing weigh? 10kg or something? (whatever that is in stupid units, no idea because I don’t have to know and would refuse even if I had to.) Too bloody heavy is what it is by any measurement system.
Im not carrying any amp I can’t lift with one finger.
Believe it or not gigging is much the same for where I am - city of 9 million with a good public transport network (albeit more spread out so it takes longer to get everywhere) and generally hostile to drivers.
Now my amp weighs around 1.5-2kg I get very snotty about having to lug even my AER Alpha (which I’ve currently left in a pub in East London cos I can’t be arsed to schlep it home.) thank you Mikko (and quilter) for making me weak and spoilt. Like a violinist.
I remember when I was desperate to get an AER because everyone used them and it was the only amp that was gig worthy that weighed less than 10kg. How things have changed….
Sometimes there’s a house amp which is mostly nice. Fender Hot Rods are popular house amps and I’m happy with that. Those things work.
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Originally Posted by RayS
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Originally Posted by Spook410
I'm saying one can play jazz on any guitar, the OP is not talking about an L5 , I certainly can't afford one and definitely not debating it's not a better instrument!.....I've tried Eastmans and Heritages and they were/are sweet... the Samick (carved top! apparently!) in the video sounds just as nice as these others for way less $$......and of course a strat doesn't have any body resonance on the chest, unless you really pump up that amp...just saying....
RayLast edited by RayS; 06-08-2022 at 07:43 PM.
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Originally Posted by Christian Miller
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A $500 Samick is not close to an Eastman or Heritage regardless of what you may have heard on YouTube. And it won't have a carved top in that price range.
And good archtops cost what they cost. Kind of surprising it's so little given the skill and materials that go into them.Last edited by Spook410; 06-09-2022 at 02:19 AM.
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Originally Posted by John A.
personally I’ll always prefer a head/speaker thing because you can split the weight (and put the head in your guitar bag in the case of micro head options) but 4-5kg is not bad at all. I’ll let you off!
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Originally Posted by Litterick
In Italy we say: " una rondine non fa primavera".
However, in Indonesia there are no discriminations, as far as I know. And China is where iPhones and Mac's are built and assembled.
I don't see any good reasons for preferring an instrument or another depending on the country they're built. Globalization made all of us get in touch, talk together, buying goods costing less, abandoning all the obsolete ways of thinking and prejudices. Music is a way to dialogue peer to peer. Not a top down show. I hope having expressed my thought clearly, even if English is not my mother tongue.. Best regards
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Originally Posted by SerCorr
If you are seriously claiming that Indonesia and China has the upper hand on Canada in terms of democracy and civil rights, then you are either ill educated or smoking something you shouldnt.
Last comment from me on this topic
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Originally Posted by JohanAbrandt
Thanks
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I read it carefully, and you do seem to be saying Indonesia and China are superior to Canada in human rights. I do not want to spoil this thread with political arguments, so I will end my comments here.
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there goes the thread !
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Originally Posted by Litterick
None is superior to others, nor country or people. Everyone has something to regret about their history or behaviours. About guitars, I had a Larrivee L10E and it was wonderful. But I chose that for its sound and beauty, not for political reasons.
Same for Ibanez or Fender or Gretsch.
They're built in Asian countries because that give more gain to Western companies, not for other purposes. And I like my Squier, my Gretsch and my Ibanez as if they were built in Cremona Best regards.
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As a former anthropologist, I would venture that there is no nation on earth that still has an indigenous population that can brag about the treatment those peoples have received from the responsible governmental bodies.
And I say "still has an indigenous population" because there are many instances of indigenous people being completely wiped out in their native countries.
The argument about which country has better "human rights" is unwinnable, from the standpoint of indigenous peoples.
Back to guitars!
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Originally Posted by Marcel_A
No really, the OP is asking for it and as owner of a GB10 and 200 I can confirm that these deliver if the player has the chops.
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I like to use a tubescreamer pedal to get a more jazz friendly sound out of single coil solid-bodies. I found on youtube
that someone made a great video about this very useful trick:
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Originally Posted by Spook410
There are however available on my local Kijiji, a Samick JZ3, a Mr Wu custom made guitar , A Gibson Tal Farlow, an Epiphone Howard Roberts, a J. Simoneau (local Luthier) made archtop .........a DeCava custom L5 inspired . a '79 GB10 and a gorgeous Victor Baker model 14 .....prices vary from 650$ to $6000 cdn.....One can "play" jazz at a variety of prices ....
RayLast edited by RayS; 06-09-2022 at 03:34 PM.
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Originally Posted by Tal_175
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Originally Posted by itsmyname
Also strats tend to sound a bit scooped. That's partly the reason why they have that sweet "thinness" to them. Mid-focused tubescreamers fatten up Strats. But I think they fatten up Tele's as well.
I also like the smooth, and compressed sound of tubescreamers.
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Originally Posted by SerCorr
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Originally Posted by Ukena
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Originally Posted by Litterick
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Originally Posted by JohanAbrandt
That is correct. Take your politics elsewhere.
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Originally Posted by Tal_175
some years ago I put some kinman hx pickups in place of the original one, the kinman helped me to find what I like to sound jazz with my strato (my goal was not to play jazz with my strato but....every way goes to Rome ), without loosing what I like when using that strato to play other styles.
interesting !
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