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I'm glad they knocked it down a penny to $17,999.99.
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04-25-2022 02:29 PM
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Here:
Ibanez JPCS8
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...and that price reflects a "$6,000 savings"!
Originally Posted by Woody Sound
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Well, I recently purchased an Ibanez AF95FM with Ibanez hard shell case through the local Craig's List for just a couple hundred dollars and am enjoying it with its comfortable play and fairly decent sound. So this $17,999 Ibanez must be one heck of a guitar.
TonyLast edited by tbeltrans; 04-25-2022 at 05:22 PM.
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I missed the first thread about this.
Not only is the price ridiculous, it's butt-ugly too.
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move along
nothing to see here
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Looks good to me. However, like a luxury sports car, it's to be admired from afar.
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I find this new sapphire red GB 10 SEFM far more interesting
made in China it will be affordable but need new electronics to really kick ass
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It’s OK, Jim. He must be a neck man Originally Posted by Jim Soloway
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So I get the one of a kind and hand carved thing raising the price. But why do people assume it’s any better than luthiers who specialize in Archtops already? Who exactly is the luthier or luthiers, and does that lend to a premium price?
I think all of us a society need to reign these type of marketing excesses in. As well as famous Rock Stars possessions. I for one am not impressed by any of it. And why don’t these rock stars donate it like Eddie Van Halen just did to an organization like Mr.Hollands Opus? I’d much rather get back to the Music being the Focus than tools and acquisitions being coveted and shown off!
Sorry my rant is over!
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It's a one-of-a-kind collector's guitar for the 50th anniversary of Ibanez in the states.
They made 50 guitars and basses. This is the only archtop in the series. All of the others are solid bodies. They're all quite nice, but also, they're all priced for the collector's market.
Ibanez Guitars | Celebrating 50 Years Building Guitars
Ibanez Guitars | 50 Guitars
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That’s what I was referring to exactly! Fine to own expensive great things, but there’s a point this has crossed in our society today!
When things are more valued than people and or their actual accomplishments, that don’t involve $$$$$$$$$$$$$ or mass fame.
When a player as great as Pat Martino or Kenny Burrell needs to have a fundraiser for healthcare. And people spend absurd amounts of money for toys too brag about. Houston we’ve got a Serious Problem!
Again this is my opinion as a 64 years old Professional Musician. And others may have other takes that as valid. I’m just turned off by all you can eat Buffetts, mass collecting, and wannabes!
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Maybe Jim S. but we no longer live in the world of actual music and inspiring great music any longer. The main driver is profit and advertising. Even though that’s always been necessary to be a viable business, it’s way beyond that now.
You and I grew up when music was listening and magical. Now it’s about visual and getting advertisers. We now watch music, and or strictly do workouts to it. The imagination part is mostly gone!
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My problem is that music nowadays is not based in the Blues any longer. That runs the gamut of Ray Charles to Weather Report,or any of Miles many protégés bands.
And I find no connection that reaches me internally.
Even Paco de Lucia and Shakti had the Blues!
The newer kids mostly play music on a visual level and don’t dig deep enough. Even when they have stellar technical abilities. So for me it’s okay but it’s not lasting. I’ll keep trying!
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I've always been a crazy leg guy, but unfortunately guitars don't have those. Just bodies necks and heads. Originally Posted by nevershouldhavesoldit
It’s OK, Jim. He must be a neck man
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I like that video a lot. Originally Posted by Jim Soloway
Ambient with a jazz flavor ... or is it jazz with an ambient flavor ... and ... to my ears ... hints of Rick Wakeman
Now I need some Nord keyboards, too.
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Originally Posted by jads57
As long as humans are involved there will always be problems ....
There are other ways of looking at this ...
The artisans behind Ibanez guitars were allowed to deliver their best work and use their talent to the max .... rather than just be another cog in the Ibanez machine making the same guitars over and over again
And as Jim says, this will probably pay off in the long run for more great affordable instruments from Ibanez.
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Get a friggin piano for that price.
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Again the sales pitch The Artisans! Who are these Magic Elves without a name firstly, and how much better of an Archtop do they carve than say Mark Campellone for Twice the cost of his top of the line model?
What utter nonsense at best. And marketing BS to sell a guitar! This has nothing to do with reality and everything to do with todays uneducated guitar buying public. At least in the past Gibson had a reality check on their Archtops.
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I'm keen to point out, once again, that there's a host of master luthiers across Europe (Germany, Holland, Czechia, Italy, UK, Finland etc.), with access to premium tone woods (alpine spruce, European maple), who offer carved (assumably by CNC + hand) archtops from 3-4 K upwards. Haven't seen a five-digit price tag yet, unless drowned in abalone.
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Yeah. The price isn't based on the cost of production. It's simply a moron price point. Get a Hammond or grand piano if you want an instrument worth 10k+.
If you want to spend 18k on guitar gear. Get a delux archtop, epic amp, eq, friggin computer, delux interface, and delux mic. You probably still won't hit 18k.
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There certainly are exceptions to this, but I agree when it comes to "POPULAR" music. Originally Posted by jads57
Which is why I don't listen to popular music anymore LOL.
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I'll give you my perspective. Originally Posted by Jim Soloway
Now- you have to keep in mind, what I am about to say is regarding a SOLID body guitar, not a hollow archtop. Archtops, in general, require more skill... altho I think we've seen how good guitars have gotten in recent years, with computers/CNCs, overseas building, etc.
I recently came into some inheritance money, and I bought one of my bucket list guitars: a PRS DGT. It was $5000 all in. It is a fantastic guitar, and certainly the best out-of-the-box guitar I have ever purchased. It's flawless. It is not worth $5000. No guitar is. I would not have spent $5000 of my own money for it, especially now that I finally own it. Because IMO no solid body guitar (especially one that is cut by CNC machines) is worth $5000. Period. I don't care who makes it. BUT I am glad I bought it, no regrets, and it's also a memento of my parents (both now passed)... they "bought" it for me.
I can see where this price point would need to be raised for a hand-made archtop. I do. But at some point there is a ceiling. I don't care who made it, how old it is, how rare it is... no guitar is objectively worth $xx,xxx. "Worth is in the eye of the beholder", sure... but we are talking about wood and wires here. Certainly a required skillset. But, much like Klons are going for $1000's (stupid), and '59 Bursts for $300,000+... the whole thing is just ridiculous.
When I bought the DGT, I honestly thought "I wonder how many people could be helped with at least $3000 of this money. I (nobody) NEEDS more guitar than $2000 will buy (again- I realize archtops are a little higher). It's just WANT at this point. Vanity." And I am guilty of it. And I am honest enough with myself to admit it. My wife and I also give quite a alot to several charities every year. But seriously- this guitar isn't worth $5000. And that Ibanez isn't worth $18,000. You know what is? The want in some people's minds.
Just my $0.02. Spend all the money you want. Heck, for a brief minute I considered ALSO buying a Collings 470JL (and I might in the future)... and that guitar isn't worth it's cover price either.
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The thuddy, ugly tailpiece on this overpriced Ibanez says “hey, we got bored and just grabbed some crap tailpiece off a used Peerless.”. Oh, and them dee-lux plastic knobs are a nice touch, no?
They didn’t even bother to cleanly align the pickup ring with the end of the fretboard. And the missing truss rod cover is dopey.
That’s an example of their best? Whew.
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Yeah I like the look of the guitar but the external parts do say "cheap." Originally Posted by northernbreed
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