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Hi, I own a Gibson Tal Farlow and have been considering selling it for a while now to switch to another instrument. I love the sound of this guitar, but I need an instrument that has a vintage acoustic sound on which to eventually apply a floating pickup.
I'm trying to understand what are the alternatives in the price range that I could identify by selling the TF or alternatively understand how good the entry level products of D'angelico or Eastman can be.
Some time ago I wrote to the great Matt Munisteri, according to which the guitars with the best value for money in this segment are the L7s of the 40s or alternatively the Loar in particular the LH 700.
Has anyone experience with the new D'angelico, from Premier EXL to Excel Throwback?
Can you alternatively suggest me luthiers who build this type of instruments in the style of the D'angelico New Yorker for example?
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05-03-2021 11:30 AM
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If you want the vintage acoustic archtop sound on a budget and you don't want to hunt for a good price on a used instrument, in my opinion, Loar is the only choice.
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Originally Posted by Francesco Chieffo
Mr. B. is right, in my opinion.
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Finnish saying: if you want it good and cheap, you have to buy two. I'm actually suggesting that you get a decent electric and a true acoustic archtop rather than a compromise. If your Tal is in good shape, it should fetch up to 4,000 euros in Europe. That will buy a lot of used guitar, even new. Apart from the Loar (of which I have no personal experience), the other entry-even guitars you mention are of laminate construction, with acoustic properties secondary to their electric sound. A used Vestax/Terada D'A NYL-2, for example, is more acoustic and can be found for 2,500-3,000 euros. On the other hand, there are many perfectly good electric archtops around, even under 1,000 euros new or used. That would leave you enough cash for an authentic, carved European archtop (Levin, Hoyer, Höfner etc.) begging to be loved and equipped with a period-perfect PU such as a DeArmond reissue.
I don't think any qualified luthier with an inventory of properly dried tone woods will offer you a D'A clone for under 5,000-6,000 euros. And it would still be a compromise between acoustic tone and feedback. A less expensive option: There are luthiery schools and colleges in many countries - certainly also in Italy - where students build instruments for customers as part of their training. The prices are sensible but the waitlist may be long and the end result less than guaranteed. A friend of mine - a lefty, povero lui - has a carved 17" archtop from one such institute. We both agree that my all-laminate Godin 5th Avenue Kingpin sounds louder and better than his.Last edited by Gitterbug; 05-03-2021 at 03:29 PM.
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Consider a Dupont Lloyd or Lloyd plus.
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The Gibson L-7 is a good value for vintage acoustic tone, but if you can find a vintage Epiphone, they are typically an even better value. Some vintage Epiphones are among the best guitars of the era and at least in the US can often be had for much less than a comparatively inferior Gibson.
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Originally Posted by ThatRhythmMan
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Thanks everyone, I will definitively look into Loar and Vestax. Any suggestions about luthiers around that price range?
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Originally Posted by Francesco Chieffo
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Originally Posted by ThatRhythmMan
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I own both an EXL-1 and an Eastman AR810. Both are excellent, but do not inspire me. My favourite is my Eastman AR371, which is a real gem regarding its price, and Godin Kingpin which is a "toy" compared to the two, still has such a mojo, I always inspired when I play it.
Back to the OP, here is the comparison I made. The mike is cheap, still good. Headphones recommended.
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Mark Campellone.
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+1 on Campellone.
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Acoustic?
Floating pick-up?
Eastman solid wood carved top like an AR810CE is a very good choice.
D'Angelico? Laminated electric guitars.
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If you’re coming from a Tal to a D’Angelico Korean or an Eastman, that’s a night and day difference both in quality and tonal characteristics. I’ve owned the Loar 700 and the LH650, the best imo, a couple Vestax NYL2’s, too many Eastmans too mention including their 910 model. None of them approach the sound of a TF, imo.
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Originally Posted by Stringswinger
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Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
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Originally Posted by christianm77
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Originally Posted by Stringswinger
My impression re Duponts is always very favourable, but I’ve yet to play one of their archtops.
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Originally Posted by christianm77
Michael Horowitz is a friend of mine and tells me that the Lloyd is great. I trust his judgment.
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A new archtop like this is more of a challenge to the buyer's wallet than to a professional builder. The demo video does not exude something exquisite - in fact, I was annoyed by the strong presence of fretboard squeal, even in the swing comping section. I'd prefer a vintage acoustic archtop and buy a decent electric with the money saved.
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For the price of a Tal Farlow you could get something from the Heritage Eagle family. I have what used to be called "Eagle" simply, an all carved mahogany 17 inch archtop. Strong acoustic voice.
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Frans Elferink is your guy!
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Thanks everyone, I'm checking every alternative. A few days ago I found this:
D'Angelico Guitars Used 2013 "Master Built" Excel | Rudy's | Reverb
Can it be a good solution?
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Originally Posted by Francesco Chieffo
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