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Originally Posted by icr
currently, that's called the tonemaster series!....solid state that sounds just like tube! is what they said... way back when...same as now! hah...come back in 20 years, unlike tube amps, there won't be any left!
also will say late 60's was pre all this vintage gear love that exists today...many people wanted new gear!...tweeds were relics...the silverface tube fenders only became less desirable in retrospect!...also bands getting that new fender gear made younger or wannabe players want to have that same gear...
think of what jimi did for marshall!!
cheersLast edited by neatomic; 01-16-2021 at 08:48 PM. Reason: cl-
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01-16-2021 06:08 PM
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Silverface was still reviled only a few years ago. But Fender marketing made it cool again, not long after the failure of the Pawn Shop amps. Fender makes new amps that look like old amps. Fender has found living in the past to be profitable.
No wonder Gibson bought Mesa: point of difference.
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Originally Posted by icr
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The Pro Reverb is nothing like the original - one channel instead of two, one speaker instead of two. I'd be more inclined to get the current Deluxe Reverb Custom 68 or 65 reissue.
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Originally Posted by icr
Keith
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They should reissue Jazzmaster.
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Originally Posted by icr
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Originally Posted by RobbieAG
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I just like amps. In my experience every one has some unique aspect (or two, or three) that sets me off (on a good day) in a creative direction. Turn a knob, any knob, and play with that sound for awhile. "Play" of course in the sense of like a kid - just "play."
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Originally Posted by Little Jay
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Originally Posted by fasteddie
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"So a speaker change might be helpful. I went to Weber 10F150, 50 watts (more head room than 25watt) light dope. $103"
Good choice and not a piggy bank breaker.
I don't use modern Fenders but if I were interested in one of these I'd wait awhile til a used came up for sale and save.30%.
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Originally Posted by jzucker
Danny W.
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Originally Posted by fasteddie
In fact, I swapped out the pots, caps and resistors in the tone stack and the long tail PI to AB763 values and put a 12at7 as PI tube in my ‘93 Blues Deluxe amp and like it a whole lot better. Comes much closer to half a Twin like that.
But as Jack mentioned: voltages and trafos play a role as well! Curious to see a schematic with voltages for that new Pro Reverb. The high voltage on the anodes of the first 12ax7 gives that bright clean Twin Reverb sound.
I also found the 820 ohm value for the negative feedback resistor mandatory for the Twin Reverb sound and Fender states they have reduced the nfb in the new Pro Reverb (by upping that resistor value, probably to 10K or 22K), but that’s an easy change if you’re handy with the soldering iron. (That’s also what brings the 68 Custom back into 65 territory, btw.)
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Originally Posted by Little Jay
I'm not too sure about those Neo speakers either. They are lighter, but I've heard they aren't great for band mixes or jazz. They have a really nice, shimmery treble and boomy bass, which sounds good in a shop or youtube demo, but the midrange kinda suffers. We'll see...
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Originally Posted by IMadeYouReadThis
A huge proportion of guitar-related (including amps) ad budgets (and R&D emphasis) goes to rockers. Jazzers are outnumbered greatly. And, of course, a great many of us here at JGO have our guilty pasts, as well.
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To be fair, Fender produces TWO George Benson signature models.
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Originally Posted by IMadeYouReadThis
I have Jensen NEO 12-100 speakers in my Fender Blues Deluxe and in my Session BluesBaby 22. I like them very much: very big but even sounding speakers. Bass is not boomy at all. I thing they are perfect in band mixes for jazz, because the have a nice complex voice in the mid-frequencies area. The only criticism could be they sound too civilised for some tastes. But it’s one of my favourite speakers!
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I must admit that I'm looking forward to the vibro champ. Gonna try it and if it sounds good .. I'm going to buy it .. Plain and simple
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Originally Posted by Lobomov
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Originally Posted by citizenk74
(which is why we don’t really need amps for jazzers.....
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Also lower gain tube in V1? 5751.....
Originally Posted by Little Jay
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Next best thing, 2020 Fender Deluxe reverb Tonemaster amp mint/excellent. And I happen to have one for sale on the Gear Page and local Craigslist.
Originally Posted by Tal_175
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Funny, the Pro Reverb is the one silverface amp you can still get for cheap
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I had the Vibrolux version of this "drip edge" re-issue series -- it was the worst amp I have ever owned. I literally could not put it back in the box to be returned fast enough. As another member posted above, this series is not an homage to an original '68 circuit, it is a newer more modern circuit that sounds little like the amps they resemble.
The Vibro champ seems like a Princeton wannabe -- if I was shopping that amp, I would get a 12" Princeton for the same money and smile with every chord played.
-Chris
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The vibro champ sounds attractive and it‘s price is okay. Digital reverb info is safe?
I‘m afraid I wouldn‘t like the stock Celestion speaker...anyway. Interesting amp, but don’t forget you‘ll get a vintage vibro champ for the same or a bit more cash.
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Hmmm... I see the have plywood cabinets. Could have made them a little lighter with pine.
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Originally Posted by h1pst3r88
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Originally Posted by BigDaddyLoveHandles
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It's certainly possible, i had an Alessandro Rottweiler 1x12 combo that was similar, 40 watts and around 30lbs. Sounded great.
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Originally Posted by IMadeYouReadThis
Danny W.
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Originally Posted by h1pst3r88
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I bought a 2017 Fender Princeton reverb 68 custom used. Intitally the seller was asking $699. But eventually I got it down to $625. With shipping $665. No taxes. But what I didnt know was the stock tubes were upgraded to Tung Sols. A complete set runs about $144. Also, the rectifier and V2 tubes were upgraded to Gold Lions. Each costing $40.
The base price at $625 was the lowest I have seen. New $899. I was going to upgrade the tubes to JJs. But I was pleasantly surprised with the higher grade tubes. Saved me at lease $140. $665 with shipping minus $140 = $525. Very happy with that.
Originally Posted by wintermoon
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Originally Posted by Herbie
The '68 Virbolux had nothing in common with those other amps, and that was intentional on this series -- they wanted a grittier tone and one that broke up easier. I simply could not get a pristine Fender clean tone from that amp.
I recall being at Smoke in Manhattan 12 years ago and seeing a trio killing it (as I sat next to Lou Donaldson) and listening to the guitar player's silver-face Vibrolux fill the room with some of the best guitar tones. Oh, how I wanted that '68 re-issue to sound like that. Instead it sounded like a newly landed meteorite sizzling on my front steps.
Anyone's mileage may vary, but the tone of the '68 Vibrolux re-issue to my ears was like walking over glass.
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Originally Posted by Wildcat
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Originally Posted by h1pst3r88
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I own both the 2020 Princeton 65' reissue and 2017 68' custom. There are some clear differences I read about before buying and I am exploring now. Note: the 68' is NOT a reissue. It uses transformers from the time period, but also makes custom/modern mods very unquie to it.. (BTW The 65' PRRI is the Sweetwater special with 12" Canibus Rex speaker. Bought it used from a forum member.)
The breakup issue is something I have dealt with before. The best way I found is to exchange the V1 preamp to a lower gain tube. For example 12Ax7 to 5751 at 30% lower gain. I did this for both amps. Also the stock speaker Celestion 10V30 is rock oriented. I replaced it with a high quality Weber 10F150, (50 watt speaker for more headroom.) Price $103.
Beyond this you can get into some mods with circuitry for the 68' custom. IMHO those do certain things to make it sound more like the 65' reissue.
I am very satisfied with the 68' and the tone with it. Warmer, darker, yes. But the tone pots can change that. Really I set the Treble, bass and reverb at the same setting as on the 65' reissue. When I bought the 68 custom the previous owner upgraded the tube from stock to high grade Tung Sols. To coin a phase. "I have warmed up to the 68' Fender Custom Princeton reverb."
In summary, if I had to buy either, it would be the stock Sweetwater PRRI Special/limit edition as it is the best value for your money and tone wise. Looks good with the tweed tolex.
Originally Posted by IMadeYouReadThis
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Vibrochamp with a 10 inch speaker and reverb...yes please!
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