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I like the fourth one. Mansur Brown's right hand is the real deal.
Originally Posted by SkipBurz
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07-22-2020 06:00 PM
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Melodrama for 14-yr old boys. Originally Posted by Marinero
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Hi, W, Originally Posted by waltf
Would be nicer to say that the music is great and represents the future of Jazz as the OP? Opinions need not be nice or nasty . . . just opinions. Why have a forum if everyone thinks the same?
Play live! . . . Marinero
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There's having an opinion and there's being rude.
But i guess that's the internet.
Anyway, you're still missing the point I was trying to make. I'll try to make it clearer next time.
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Ahh, if only the rest of the practitioners of this and so many related genres could be as witty as these folks. Originally Posted by grahambop
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Hi, C, Originally Posted by christianm77
I don't know why I didn't expect a response like this from you. Well, I guess we're all fooled sometimes in how we perceive people via the internet in lieu of face to face interactions. However, as long as you broached the subject, please explain to me what the relationship is between expressing personal tastes of musicianship and posting a video performance? Should we ,now, make it a requirement that before anyone can post a response on any topic here on JGF, that they must precede it with a video or, perhaps, have one on file? And, if so, does this invalidate their opinions on any given topic? I didn't join JGF as a venue to get feedback on my playing. Nor do I desire to be the next Youtube phenom playing in my bedroom with backing tracks to dead curtains and walls. I have been a live performer for the last 50 plus years and, guarantee, I have more paid gigs under my belt than most on this Forum. I have nothing to prove to anyone. My ego is solid and secure. However, let's explore your inference a bit more intellectually. Using your above statement, would this mean that ,in your world, the only ones certified to comment about and appreciate Painting, Music, Sculpture, Literature or Poetry, are practicing painters, musicians, sculptors, novelists or poets who have been pre-approved by the powers to be by posting their work on a Forum? And, in the case of other, non-practitioners, who love these Arts and have devoted a lifetime to their study and appreciation, that their thoughts and feelings are invalid? I would ,truly, be insulting your intelligence if I carried this analogy much further since the concept is, in the least case, flawed, and in a worst-case scenario-- patently absurd. I hope, in the future, comments like yours are recognized for what they are: an attempt to silence someone whose thoughts and ideas disagree with your own. However, I do enjoy some of your comments on Jazz/Music and want you to know I hold no grudge against you. Play live! . . . Marinero
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Well as I keep saying, the Amateurs have taken over the business! In days past amateurs were the ones who were the face of Pop Music,but the professionals did the records.
Now with the advent of technology and cost savings as well as free music. We are left with what passes for music nowadays.
A also in the Old days Jazz as well as Classical genres of music required a much higher caliber of musician to actually gig or hope to to do any recording.
So welcome to all the crap music you can stand in all genres!
For those of you self promoting amateurs out there. Remember just cause you can pretend to be a professional. It doesn't make it so, or you're in their league.
Crabby Old Grandpa Musician signing off!Last edited by jads57; 07-23-2020 at 04:13 PM.
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Thanks, I needed that. Originally Posted by Lobomov
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There are still great classical and jazz musicians, and the standards are still high. Originally Posted by jads57
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No doubt the musicians still exist. The problem is the SONGS they write are mostly boring,awful,grooveless, or all of them!
There are no Weather Reports, Chick Corea, or even Scofields compositionally speaking. I love Julian Lage, and a couple of the other young guitarists. But what passes for new writing is far from The bar set previously
Miles Davis, John Coltrane, Jimi Hendrix, Joe Zawinul, John McGlaughlin, Herbie Hancock, Keith Jarrett, Ornette Coleman, Pat Metheny, Jaco Pastorius, etc........
It's not the players there are no worthy writers any longer, sadly!
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There are whole albums of this? Originally Posted by Alter
I like Napalm Death, have some albums
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This is the Jazzguitar.be forum correct?
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stop it with the truth tellin' will ya? Originally Posted by jads57
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Yes, he's kidding. He's always kidding. Originally Posted by Marinero
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I bought one of their records in the late eighties. A regular cassette tape with dozens of really, really short songs. Originally Posted by rlrhett
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Not jazz and not played on an archtop. Still a nice song with a message.
But yeah, it seems like the preferences of guitar players also change with time. Even if most mass producers of guitars shut down their archtop series so they will become a niche product even some builders will make them them for those who want them. Just browse some of the building threads in the builders bench to regain some optimism.
I think "lost trade" might the term for trades and skills that have been surpassed by time. Fascinating but also a bit emotional to relalise. And problematic for workers in fields that are phased out.
That seems to be the conditions, doesn't it? There is not much one can do about it - besides writing a good song or two and prepare for the future.
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I agree. Here's something that cannot be done anymore by the very company that originally offered it. I suppose if they hired a specialist, maybe, but the cost would be prohibitive. Originally Posted by teeps
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no it’s endless moaning by old farts forum. there’s no jazz guitar here. Originally Posted by jads57
Well the tune is in 7, how much more jazz do you want haha? Napalm Death were a big influence on John Zorn. One of Bill Frisell’s early gigs was playing guitar with Zorn’s naked city.
here he is
(I find Bills studiousness in this clip absolutely hilarious)
Quite a few jazz musicians have been influenced by extreme metal including Ben Monder....
and here is Frisell playing Honeysuckle Rose with Matt Munisteri on an archtop
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Speaking of Bill, this Anderson archtop is flipping gorgeous:
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Monder in jazz metal mode
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Ummm, that's not Munisteri playing with Frisell at the Fretboard Journal.
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Nice work. If one looks at furniture, bridges, buildings and clothings these are also less ornamented by handcraft now than in the past. Probably has to do with alot of different aspects of living, social structure, fashion and consumers lifestyle. Originally Posted by Hammertone
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I often believe in the saying "everything old is new again" and archtops will be "rediscovered" and become popular again at some point. How long until it happens and how long it will last is a guess, but I think it will happen. They are too pretty and unique for them not to. People who know nothing about guitars see them and recognize the beauty and craftsmanship. Too many things have made "comebacks" it seems for it not to happen.
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It just occurred to me that Gibson could use the Epiphone brand to introduce reasonably priced, Made in USA laminated archtops, e.g. "Historic" takes on the ES-125, 150 and 350 theme. This would leave the main brand's price image intact. Godin proves this is possible, if greed is kept at bay. Probably the main challenge would be to reach the quality and consistency of the current Far East Epis.
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I agree DM.
There is nothing, And I mean nothing, like the sound of great archtop.
I've been listening to Wes Montgomery over the past week or so. The sound he got through his Wes Montgomery and his Standel was glorious. The depth of sound is NOTHING any other type of guitar is capable of achieving. And it doesnt hurt having Wes plucking those heavy strings with his thumb...
I have faith that people will still have good taste in the years to come and they will long for that sound once again.
Joe D
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