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[QUOTE=citizenk74;1016051]I'm a Gibson guy, always have been. I own, and have owned, several. But this sort of thing leaves a bad taste in my mouth. This whole mess reminds me of why I dumped my KKR stock.
I hope sanity prevails.[/QUOTE
K, you and me both,
but since the arrival of James Curleigh ,( ex Levi;s ) Gibson's policy appears to indicate
contempt for their long term customers and particularly Archtop enthusiasts, concentrating
on Les Pauls & Thinlines of every hue, I have nothing against either, but in my advanced
years I cannot cope with the weight of an LP. Old Fogey's like me prefer lightweight & tone
of a good Archtop, , until recently I had , an L5CES, a Wesmo, a Byrdland Tal Farlow an
L4CES, and others. Hankering for a replacement for the first two mentioned, i was unable
to obtain a new Gibson ,or a pristine condition used model ,in a reasonable price range.
Fortunately , I have a number of friends on the Forum whose recommendations
i rely upon completely. As you might know , I ordered a Campellone Deluxe, the
quality , finish , build time , and Price , blow Gibsons out of the water. QED
kind regards Silverfoxx
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03-15-2020 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by QAman
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Originally Posted by starjasmine
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Originally Posted by guitarcarver
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1984 -2017 Gibson:
"Sure, Heritage, we can shake hands and agree that you can still build guitars that kinda resemble ours. Just make a few modifications to the LP style horn on your H150; Use 'solid' rims vs. laminate on your H535 and H555 models; improve on (and sell em for a LOT less) our old ES225, ES175 and L4 with your newfangled H225, H575 and Sweet 16; and finally, go with a 17 degree peghead to prevent headstock breaks on ALL of your models...and we'll be good...!"
2018 - 2020 Gibson:
"Hey Heritage, now that we've gone through some really tough times, ditched Henry J., limited our models and stopped making archtops, and oh yea, and since YOUR guitars are available at Guitar Center, Sweetwater and other big box retailers, just forget about our previous 'gentleman's agreement'. We'd appreciate it if you'd cease and desist making ANY guitars that can fairly compete with our dwindling product line and market share..."
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^ it is a very good point about the recent sale of heritage to bandlab singapore...very far cry from the initial gibson-heritage agreement...which was between the old gibson workers staying behind in kalamazoo with heritage and the newer gibson facilities in tenn....when bandlab bought em out and let go many of the original workers...and changed the template..i do think gibson has the right to re-negotiate
intellectual property, in this day and age, is increasingly valuable..and something definitely worth protecting...as counterfeiters abound...heritage is no longer a small company run by old gibson employees!!
cheers
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Those are fair points. IP needs to be protected. And Gibson has surely made huge contributions to the development of the guitar.
I'd be fine with them saying "Our deal was with Marvin Lamb and them guys. Not these Bandlab guys. They have deep pockets, maybe, and we want to re-negotiate."
But saying new models are being released that are even more indistinguishable from Gibsons...that part just sounds odd.
I wish the best for both companies.
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"Gibson should just concentrate on making consistently good guitars"
What !!
A reversal of corporate philosophy?
Say it isn't so. .
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I agree just make guitars, guys.
I did not know Heritage (under Bandlab) owns Harmony. I’m an old Harmony guy myself.
I’ve got a Jones for this amp:
Harmony 8418 Reissue Tube Combo Amplifier (2019 Limited | Reverb
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“I'd be fine with them saying "Our deal was with Marvin Lamb and them guys. Not these Bandlab guys.”
Except that’s not how corporate law works.
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Maybe they should just switch headstock shapes and call it good
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"This needs to be turned up to 10." Yes!! My kind of loudener!!!
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Originally Posted by lawson-stone
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Originally Posted by lawson-stone
First lesson learned in law school when reading a case: Who is suing who over what and where?
Tony D.
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Suits... I "thought" that the trademark / patent of the Gibson (LP in particular) body design was settled long ago as unenforceable since the trademark was submitted by Gibson in the late 80's / early 90's well after cloners were copying the design? On what legal ground does Gibson have to muscle other makes into not making a body design?
Has something changed in case law that attorneys here can weigh in?
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Originally Posted by GNAPPI
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Originally Posted by MarkRhodes
I'd love to see Gibson take proper ownership if they'd do it right. Now both Heritage and Gibson are owned by those far removed from that which launched both companies. I fear there will never be another McCarty era.
Some may recall that in 2012 Hostess announced it's moving to Mexico to make its Twinkies. That was demoralizing. But that wasn't how it ended. Below is some follow up. Perhaps electric guitar building, an essential part of Americana, can be preserved as well.
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Dean Metropoulos, the billionaire boss of private equity firm Metropoulos & Co., has made many a fortune reviving classic consumer brands like Pabst Blue Ribbon, Bumble Bee Tuna, and Chef Boyardee. His recent deal, buying a shuttered Hostess Brands, might be his sweetest return of all. Along with Andy Jhawar of Apollo Global, Metropoulos paid $410 million for the bankrupt baker of Twinkies, Ding Dongs, and Sno Balls. After $250 million of capital improvements, Metropoulos and Apollo are sitting on a gain of about $2 billion. How did they pull it off? Modernizing technology, logistics, marketing, and by making the Twinkie--famous for its immortal shelf life--stay fresh even longer.
Dean Metropoulos joined The Forbes Interview podcast to talk about how he revived Hostess back to life, how he spots brands ripe for rehab, and the future of American manufacturing.
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I love me some Twinkies, especially the rare Banana flavored ones.
Now back to your regularly scheduled program...."Heritage vs. Gibson, episode 2020"
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Twinkies... flashback... 32 years ago. I was a first year professor teaching and finishing a doctoral dissertation with two little kids at home under the care of my (also full-time employed) wife. Stress was enormous. I was in my office about 3 AM slogging on that doctoral dissertation and went down the hall to the vending machine. Looked at the Twinkies. Then I thought I heard voices in the hallway... nothing. Bought the Twinkie and went back to my office. Voices following me all the way back. Sat at my desk with the Twinkie in front of me, hearing the voices.
I felt like the alcoholic who has hit bottom. Looking at the Twinkie on my desk, I said aloud "Has it really come to this?"
The phone rang and startled me so bad I knocked the twinkie all over my desk, showering books and papers with it's debris... the wife calling to tell me to come home. Nothing is worth this much exhaustion. I agreed.
I always associate Twinkies with hitting bottom.
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"not privy to the agreements between Gibson and Heritage"
The rest is noise.
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Originally Posted by pilotony
Or which one is Hadley and which one is Baxendale?
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Tallahassee (zombieland) LOVED them!
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Originally Posted by Hammertone
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Gibson has brought a good bit of their difficulties over the years upon themselves. Their QC has been a joke at times and hit and miss at best. There are countless stories of their poor QC including one of my own that involved a custom ordered L5CES from a local dealer. I had waited about 2 years for the custom shop build. It was to be my "dream guitar" that I had wanted since my teen years in the '60s. From the moment I opened the case and played the first notes through it the guitar fretted out on two separate frets and I couldn't completely dial it out. Worst of all, the tail piece was mounted very obviously off center. The neck was huge! It was by far the largest neck I had ever played on a guitar. I had no idea the neck would come in that size. When I ordered the guitar I just had them order an L5CES. That's it. I expected the neck to be more along the lines of necks of the mid to late '60s. That was my fault for not playing an L5CES. But I couldn't find one to audition anywhere near where I lived.
I wondered if the guitar had ever been inspected. I had already waited as long as I could so I ended up trading it in for another guitar and amp. This was the late '90s and I've had so many guitars and amps since then I don't even remember what I traded it for. What a disappointment?!!
However, Gibson later redeemed themselves in my eyes. I later ran across a one off, gorgeous, transparent red, ES5 Switchmaster with three P-90 pickups, on Private Reserve Guitars. This was a killer guitar. Exquisitely made custom shop guitar and sounding wonderful. The fit and finish was much like you would have expected during Gibson's best years. Same with a Gibson 1954 LPGT that I purchased about the same time. Great guitar. I don't know the level of quality of current Gibsons. But I do know they are quite capable of building top notch stuff. I just hope they see fit to return to building top quality guitars in general and archtops of yore. Maybe they have, except for the archtops? Sorry for the long post.
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Originally Posted by HammertoneOriginally Posted by Doctor Jeff
Jack Wilkins passed a year ago today.....
Today, 09:40 PM in The Players