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Originally Posted by Franz 1997
learning every day !
i'm gonna use it today with an Ariston 4080 8ohm 5" speaker
for a rehearsal with a Sax and girl singer ....
Works best for me with tone controls approx
as above ....
The green tape is just so I don't plug into the headphone op by mistake
(I've done that a couple of times and thought the amp was busted !)
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06-18-2020 05:35 AM
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I agree with Franz. Fortunately, it's apples to oranges, with no risk of a lemon. Soon, I'll be able to release a demo video, where the BAM200 functions as a power amp. The test mission was to see how the new TOOB Metro 6.5" cabs comply with acoustic guitars, both nylon (Yamaha NTX 700) and steel (Martin GPCPA4). All settings were at noon, and a tad of external reverb was used. The amp did a perfect job, even with the full-range cab extending to 15 kHz. So much so that guitarist Mikko Karhula walked away from the session with the FR cab and rushed to order a BAM. He already has an AER acoustic combo, so evidently he liked what he heard. Interestingly, my swing band's pianist/keyboardist fell for the same combination a week earlier. As well, a rock guitarist using a modeling amp chose the 6.5FR as his stage monitor. A Mooer Baby Bomb gives all the power he needs.
Moral of the story: Henriksens are fantastic products (I've had a 1st gen. Convertible) but pricey for many working musicians and increasingly difficult to obtain in Europe, as they now have to be ordered from the factory. The BAM is an inexpensive, no-frills amp, which serves many other purposes equally well or better than just bass amplification. The same goes for the Trace Elliot Elf, G&K MB200 and probably many other Class D amps with a broad and flat response curve. If only they featured an on-board reverb...
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Originally Posted by pingu
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Originally Posted by blue_lu
@pingu , your settings seem pretty loud, almost full on volume! Do you use the guitar volume a lot to quiet things down, or is this the volume one should expect from bam? I would think this to be too loud for a voice violin guitar trio..
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Hi Franz , have you used the Bam with the Barefaced 110 cab ?
how did that go ?
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Originally Posted by Alter
I'm usually on about 2 o clock on the Master ....
yes i I do run the guitar volume on about half , it gives a good sound
and also I'm ready if the drummer gets loud .... !
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Originally Posted by pingu
If I hadn't acquired this ridiculously light barefaced cab, i might be thinking along the same lines as you though with that Toob setup.
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Yes the mini Toob is working great with the Bam
but I'm always interested in various Cabs and Driver options too
Did you go to the stock Celestion G10 vintage or Gold in the Bareface ?
and are you now settled on a driver for that Cab ....
They won't sell the Cab empty for some reason ....
which is a drag ....
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[Haven't done any loud gigs for some time, not sure the BAM would hold up with loud drums but never tried.]
My younger son is a semi-pro rock drummer and has a well-equipped studio. He and his shredder guitarist friends have tested the 6.5" and 12" Toob FR versions through a Kemper using the BAM as the power amp. The 12", 150W Jensen D speaker has a sensitivity around 100 dB. It cut through the drums with ease. The smaller cabs were powered by a Quilter Interblock 45 and another smaller amp I can't recall, in stereo in a supportive "wet" role. As stated in my previous post, a modelling-amp rock guitarist considers the 6.5FR and a Mooer Baby Bomb a perfectly adequate combination as a personal stage monitor.
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Originally Posted by pingu
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Originally Posted by Gitterbug
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It's N12D. In the Tornado family. Celestion has something similar. They have promised me a sample twice, to no avail. Three 10" bass Celestions ordered in November and promised in February should be here next week...
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I used the BAM on my first post-lockdown gig.... Early Ellington and Cab Calloway arranged for 5 piece band so pretty much using it for low level sound reinforcement for my Loar LH600 with the Krivo Djangobucker rather than a sound in its own right if that makes any sense - hitting the strings quite hard etc. At this it was certainly very good.
Be interested to see how it bears up with a sensitive jazz drummer for a trio. My hunch would be it might not have enough in the tank with my current probably not very good 10" speaker for this to be comfortable, but we'll see.
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About BAM holding up -just remembered that I have used it at a "jazz night" gig a couple of times at the same place, with loud-ish trio and maybe 60 people taking very loudly; it got a bit warm but held up very well @ maybe half gain on the dial. Obviously the speaker and cab make a big difference. What I can confirm is that my archtops start to feed back well before the amp runs out of steam. I keep forgetting that 40/ 50w or whatever is quite a lot, even for SS watts..about as loud as a Princeton approaching max.
Hmm, missing those gigs.
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The BAM runs warmer than Elf (also warm) or MB 200 (almost cool) for sure. Somebody said it's due to mosfet transistors, which behave in a tube-like manner. I understand nothing about electronics. Some very small Class D power amps used e.g. in active speakers produce next to no heat, and need no fan or cooling fins.
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Regarding the amp getting warm, my experience is that it quickly gets a little warm when I switch it on, even when not doing any work. It then seems to stay at the same level of warmth no matter how loud I play. I've used it both for guitar (in a very loud big band) and for bass (in another loud band). I have often done a quick check on the amp, worrying that it must be getting hot, but have always been pleasantly surprised to find it just warm. I'm only driving an 8 ohm 100W speaker though, so not demanding it's full power. I think it's because of the way the class-D amp works, which is that the power transistors work like very fast switches, and are either fully switched on or fully switched off. They would only get hot when partially resisting the current, and that does not happen. With 90% of the power getting to the speaker, there is little heat generated. The power supply also works in a similar energy-efficient way.
Sorry about the technical(ish) description but if you are not familiar with class-D amps I hope that it explains how they are radically different to the more usual 'transistor' amps. When you look into how they work, it's a wonder that any recognisable sound comes out of them!
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Reading through this, I wonder if it would be compatible with my Fender JMUL 2-ohm cab?
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You can try, of course, but few amps (outside car HiFi) tolerate 2 ohm loads. OTOH, the amp's peak power may surge, exceeding 200W, so it's a question of which one blows up first, the amp or the speaker. I'm not into electronics, but isn't it possible to add a 2-6 ohm resistor to the cab, to make it safe for any amp?
Last edited by Gitterbug; 09-28-2020 at 09:57 AM.
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Ignore my earlier post. The BAM flipping rocks.
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Originally Posted by christianm77
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Bumping this thread to see how you guys are feeling about the BAM200 these days?
I was looking at one and in addition to being a good, clean straight-in amp they seem like they can be used as a small power amp when dialed in flat for a preamp pedal, modeler, etc. I have a Tech 21 Blonde I can use. I saw this useful post on TheGearPage forums in which it's graphed out how to dial it in flat:
Last edited by monkmiles; 03-07-2021 at 02:31 AM.
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BAMs doing fine and head(sic!) count growing in my sphere. Several new users here, incl. Fred Archtop. Its just so good, small and affordable, my go-to amp if only gigs returned. That flat curve tells that with all eq's at 12.00 o'clock, it's a bit scooped from the middle in a Fenderish way. Low risk of nasal mid-range honk. And that's why it's ok for acoustic guitars, too. Among my TOOB clients, the BAM serves in a variety of roles, including jazz, rock & acoustic guitar, bass and keyboards. Thanks for reviving the thread!
Cheers,
Markku
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Ditto like Markku. I'm even happier now that I've put a Fender Tre-Verb in front of it. Best reverb pedal I've owned - the plate mode is awesome
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Mine arrived today. It’s ridiculously small. No chance to fire it up yet.
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Ibanez pm200?
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