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Hi There,
I'd apologize for reviving this old thread but reading over it, I see everyone seemed to be getting along...I am new here, and recently stumbled on a Heritage Rose (one that I have yet to play). The only other one I ever played said "take me home". I was very taken with it both in sound and playability. Not in any position at that time to consider buying it, I walked away.
My question is, as these are fairly difficult to come by, and other than...whatever someone is willing to pay for one, what would folks here consider to be fair value for this guitar in say excellent to mint- condition. I see there is one (not one I am considering) currently listed on Reverb at 5k that has had some work done, and shows wear the extent to which it is tough to appraise without seeing and playing it. And given that it is not yet sold, the whatever someone is willing to pay for it is not applicable as of this writing either. While I get that Heritage is not the name Gibson is, in this case comparing to the GJS, I would think that the scarcity of this model would boost it's value some.
Thank you in advance for your input.
David
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12-02-2020 01:23 AM
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How scarce a guitar is does not necessarily equate to being worth more. While Heritage JSG’s are generally great guitars I would take a Gibson JS over one any day no question. As for simple playing them as a player much less different.
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Originally Posted by Telerious
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Originally Posted by Woody Sound
David
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There are many more Gibson models produced throughout the years, than any other company he was associated with throughout his career.
So there are different people as well owners at Gibson during the production of the JS models.
All of us have differe t likes and dislikes as well. So you need to keep in mind, which lines up with your tastes.
I prefer the aesthetics of early Gibson JS models, but the 70s with plain wood are some of the best sounding ones produced. Also neck shape is a big consideration as well!
I also prefer the more solid build of Gibson's to the lighter built Heritage style of construction. But again this a personal tone and feel preferance.
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I haven't played a HJS in awhile, but remember it as nice guitar.
For those who own them:
Does it have the massive heel where the wood curves from the neck to the bottom of the heel, as found in other Heritage models like the SE, GE and others?
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Originally Posted by Telerious
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Originally Posted by Hammertone
) by comparison. David
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Originally Posted by Hammertone
The heel is quite variable. I have a Super Eagle next to me with a flat heel though.
Here's a pic with a Gibson in the center, a Golden Eagle on the left, and a Super Eagle on the right.
For those who think Gibson makes thin heels, I have four of them with the same fat heel shown on the Golden Eagle.
My guess, and it's only a guess, is that it takes less time to carve a fat heel.
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Telerious,
I’ve had 3 Heritage Johnny Smith guitars.
Each one of them were fantastic guitars. Each one i bought for between $3600 and $4,000. Each one I sold for less than I paid. If I was patient I would have sold the guitars closer to what paid but I am just not patient.
The stock pickups are not very good. The tops are vibrant and thin so I think the pickups used on them are weak by design. The necks are incredibly comfortable. Of the 3 I had, the 2nd one I had was by far the one I shouldn’t have sold. It was a brown sunburst. I miss that guitar. I think about it often.
I had a Gibson Johnny Smith and loved it. It was pretty much immaculate and it is very to find one in that condition. Everything about that guitar was top notch. I paid $6300, changed the frets and the pickguard Sold it for less than I paid. (Notice a trend here..) I miss that guitar more than any guitar I’ve ever owned. I’ve written off having another one like it in my life.
The guitars had a VERY different feel. Even though they were made in the same shop, by the same staff of extraordinary luthiers, they didn’t feel like the same model.
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Originally Posted by Max405
The one I looking to purchase is from 1996, with Natural finish (btw I love the burst on yours pictured) and it has no inlay on the neck which also appeals to me. It comes from a gentleman who passed away who's wife is selling it. I see this as a privilege to carry notes across the bar so to speak, assuming it all works out.
As for the pick up, I guess I am less concerned as I primarily will play this one for it's acoustic properties supplementing if necessary with the pick up. I have a Gagnon (modeled after Benedetto but impeccably crafted) that he built me with an inset KA. The guitar is sort of single pickup L5 that looks like a Manhattan and is a gorgeous instrument. Of course if this Rose sounds and plays as I expect it might, then I will have questions about pick-ups, pots and so on
DavidLast edited by Telerious; 12-03-2020 at 03:06 AM.
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Originally Posted by Marty Grass
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Originally Posted by Max405
To make a comparison, imagine being a judge at a Miss Universe pageant. How do you determine THE winner, and would it be the same one if you chose a week later?Last edited by Marty Grass; 12-04-2020 at 09:15 AM.
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Originally Posted by Telerious
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Originally Posted by Woody Sound
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Originally Posted by Marty Grass
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Originally Posted by Woody Sound
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Originally Posted by Woody Sound
Keith
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Originally Posted by Marty Grass
I will always cherish the privilege of having each and every one of them. For what we do, it doesn't get any better. For me, the standard brand name stuff is as good as it can ever get. Even the crappiest guitar I have is capable of 1000% more than I can ever get out of it.
We are fortunate to have such great instruments in our lifetime. In my minds eye, I see a poor little child, Living under a bridge with more potential than i'll ever have. All he ever wants is something that will make a sound when he puts his hands on it..
I have NOTHING to complain about.
Enjoy your stuff guys. We are fortunate.
JD
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Originally Posted by floatingpickup
I always likened it to a bank vault sitting on my lap.
JD
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Originally Posted by Telerious
I think the prices people are asking for stuff right now (for the most part) are ridiculous.
And notice.. Buyers are not stupid. Most of the stuff you see on Reverb at ridiculous prices will start growing mushrooms on them before somebody pays the outrageous prices people are asking. We should always be fair to a fellow musician.
For the amount of enjoyment I get out of a guitar, I should sell it for less than I paid. And I guarantee, it is a better guitar after I pass it on than what it was when I bought it.. 1000%.
Joe D
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Originally Posted by floatingpickup
Originally Posted by Max405
I was still curious as to whether there is an established baseline value on the HJS. I've now figured out that no there is not, so while a great playing and sounding HJS is less to purchase than a similar quality GJS (and yes I get they will sound and play different), it will also return fewer dollars if I go to sell it.
David
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Originally Posted by Max405
https://reverb.com/item/3200909-heri...ard-1998-amber
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Originally Posted by Max405
Here an interesting biz practice. The upscale violin shop that my wife deals with offers full price back on an instrument if you return at any time to upgrade.
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Originally Posted by floatingpickup
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