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Originally Posted by sgosnell
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12-18-2018 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by John A.
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+1 on "Hurt." Cash delivered big time right at the end of his career.
I have been a huge Cash fan all my life. I have performed his stuff in almost every setting I have performed in. You can do Cash in a jazz setting, not just in a country gig.
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Originally Posted by lawson-stone
Plus, I am not kidding about Bruce's skill set, and I have played with Larry Coryell, Howard Alden and other Jazz guitar luminaries. Bruce is the best of them all, just not as well recognized (or as innovative).
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Another performer with no voice but still a formidable singer is Willie Nelson.
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Originally Posted by Stringswinger
Last edited by 2bornot2bop; 12-18-2018 at 10:02 PM.
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Originally Posted by Stringswinger
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Originally Posted by Stringswinger
Bruce is chops with really smooth lines and I love his comping behind a singer. He does it all.
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Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
Some people act like good tone is so difficult to achieve you could spend your whole life searching for it, spending money on gear, drive yourself to madness, and never find it. But I can coax a decent tone from most rigs.
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If tone is in the hands, you need to wash them with this.
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This is kinda of a joke .. like something you'd read on TDPRI
Gear doesn't matter when you play jazz, since you end up throwing a blanket over your amp anyways!
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Originally Posted by DRS
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Originally Posted by Stringswinger
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Bruce Foreman is great, no doubt. Fwiw, he is currently in the process of having Alexander Dumble build an amp for him. I wonder where he thinks tone comes from? I believe the hands can effect tone.
Discuss amongst yourselves, while I go visit my mom for the holidays.
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Originally Posted by whiskey02
Tone - a players sound, touch and so on 100% comes from the hands.
For instance Adrian Brendel played my wife's cello, worth a fraction of his. It sounded like him. The missus was kind of thinking about getting a new cello until this rather brutal demonstration.
But - I don't think he rather have that instrument lol.
The right guitar won't make it easier to get YOUR sound, but we all are looking for the equipment combination that will just feel and sound right. Bruce wants that Dumble because it will make easier to dial in HIS sound - that's the whole thing about what Dumble does, from what I hear.
That said, I don't think the right instrument is necessarily a function of more money.... If you find something that works for you, not a bad idea to stick with it, even if it's not the most valuable or coveted instrument.
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Originally Posted by whiskey02
John
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The hands don't affect tone, they effect tone?
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Originally Posted by christianm77
The things I will do to avoid grading at a term's end...
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I will offer one somewhat serious contribution here. I think the more advanced a player is, the more capable they are of achieving "their" tone on almost any instrument. I think excellent, high quality gear matters most to beginning and intermediate players. The beginner needs an instrument and amplifier that, when he gets it right, will not let him down. To have to fight the guitar and amplifier all day long, to have constantly to adapt and shift to accommodate an instrument that has bad intonation, sorry pickups, poor action, and just sounds awful, will discourage a beginner and greatly hinder an intermediate player. So ironically, when someone sees my L5ces and says "YOui must be a great guitar player!" I always say "No, if I was, I would not need a Gibson L5. But as a rank amateur, I need every advantage I can get to sound good."
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Originally Posted by christianm77
Effect = makes happen
Affect = has an effect (influence) on.
A very large percent of the time, people write effect, but mean affect (rarely, vice versa). Sometimes it's hard to tell what the intent is.
John
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It's very common in threads like this to conflate style with tone. As a gross generalization, a player's style tends to be apparent regardless of gear, and most players tend to dial in their preferred kinds of sound within the limits of the actual gear they may be using at the time. IOW, you'll never get a Tele to really sound like a Les Paul and vice versa. If you give George Benson a standard Tele, he'll sound just like George Benson playing a Tele and not an Ibanez GB10.
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Originally Posted by D.G.
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That sounds a lot like George Benson playing a tele.
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Originally Posted by lawson-stone
The biggest problem for me was getting an amp that was light and good.... but a cheap guitar through a Fender twin will sound better than an L5 through a crappy amp.
Imagining that the instrument and amp can supply tone for you at any level is not helpful. Things like right hand positioning, pick attack, fretting, how and where you end notes, developing a true legato sound where notes don’t overlap or separate out, vibrato and so on - that’s something that can be worked on any basically sound instrument. Doesn’t need to be an L5, but if it is, fair enough.
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Originally Posted by D.G.
That said obviously a Tele isn’t like a 175.
And obviously there are players who use a lot of effects as part their tone. It’s not cut and dried
Enharmonics
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