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Originally Posted by BigDaddyLoveHandles
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11-26-2018 01:53 PM
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Pat also dialed it back in his duets with Jim (recorded 1998)
Judging from the picture on the video, Pat also wore a turtleneck and took off his wig.
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Originally Posted by christianm77
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Originally Posted by wzpgsr
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Originally Posted by flush
I think it's good for one's playing.
Where I am at the moment, if use delay or reverb on a tune it's a conscious choice, not just something I have on all the time.
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Originally Posted by christianm77
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Originally Posted by flush
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Originally Posted by flush
I don't see any incompatibility between the proper use of reverb or delay (or even a studio compressor) and dynamics. They are not mutually exclusive... overdrive yes, changes your approach completely.
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i'm itching to try out a delay/reverb combo again, any recommendations for cheap but good pedals?
2 weeks ago i had a chance to buy the Dispatch master for only $110 bucks but i let it go as i wasn't sure yet if i wanted delay/reverb
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Digitech Polara
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Originally Posted by wzpgsr
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Crap, sorry. No, it’s only reverb.
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Strymon El Capistan is an amazingly accurate recreation of tape echo (down to tape wear and wow and flutter) but it also has reverb as a secondary feature.
For jazz, it's d-d-delay overkill, but if you have ever wanted to noodle with an Echoplex
EDIT: Some jazzy Echoplex...
Full disclaimer: this was on my "makeout" tape back in the day. Try to keep your clothes on!
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I have (and love) a dispatch master, but you have to understand that it isn't reverb and delay. It's both. You have to look at them as one effect, not two separate ones. It isn't really for those who want reverb and a little delay here and there, it vice versa. It really helps to think of it as one thing.
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The problem as the OP stated is that too much reverb and/or delay tends to obscure one's playing and leaves you lost in the mix.
It's a matter of personal taste and experience. Don't let anyone tell you what sounds you can or can't make.
There is nothing wrong with reverb. It's just another effect and you can always choose to use it or not to use it.
For me personally, I never use reverb when I'm practicing but when playing with others I mostly use just enough to put a little bit warm air on my sound.
You also need to take the room into consideration. If it's a really live room then you might not need any. I think that (as others have mentioned) if you're using enough reverb that you can really hear it then it's probably too much.
The OP asked why dry guitar is so harsh compared to bass, saxophone and trumpet etc.
I'm not sure I agree all the time but I think that sometimes it's worth considering that an electric guitar is really just a speaker.
What I mean is that if you imagine the strings, body of the guitar, pickups, cables, effect pedals, amplifier; it all just goes to making a speaker cone vibrate in a wood box usually placed on the floor.
A saxophone or a trumpet on the other hand involves an actual column of air changing the frequency of a vibrating mechanism (a reed or lips) and you have all the sounds bouncing around reflected inside and outside the instrument which is itself vibrating. And on top of that, all of this liveness happens at the height of a persons upper body where they are holding the instrument in the room too. They are just totally different.
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Originally Posted by mrcee
.....and to continue that awfully good analogy, you just know that eventually, some Doctor of yours is going to come along and tell you that no matter how much ( or how little ) you use, it's too much.
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Originally Posted by christianm77
...probably a dumb question.
I watched a Joe Pass video of a concert at GIT where he tells Don Mock that he doesn't travel with an amp and just plugs into the house PA. Maybe the sound in the house provides the natural reverb from the player's perspective? In theory, I like that idea, but there are plenty of factors that would make it impossible on a lot of gigs. (No PA, for one.).
IF you could get a good sound running direct to PA, and IF everything is in the mix (or monitors are giving you a good mix of mic'd and not mic'd instruments, IF you had a good sound man/woman, it would work great. I suppose I'll keep carrying an amp with me.Last edited by ScottM; 12-15-2018 at 06:15 PM.
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Not for nothing, but one of the great things about the dispatch master is that, for all the reverb it has, the notes always poke through. It is a little unusual in that regard. You never lose your playing, for better or worse. The reverb is always behind you, not in front.
And if you need more controls, that have the avalanche run. Never played that one, though.
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Originally Posted by ScottM
I watched a Joe Pass video of a concert at GIT where he tells Don Mock that he doesn't travel with an amp and just plugs into the house PA. Maybe the sound in the house provides the natural reverb from the player's perspective? In theory, I like that idea, but there are plenty of factors that would make it impossible on a lot of gigs. (No PA, for one.).
Running a guitar through a PA with the aid of a preamp of some kind works fine.
Monitoring can sound a bit harsh - for the reason mentioned above, and sound guys rarely dialing the sort of reverb that actually sounds good on guitar OTOH.
I DI'd a 175 into an AER straight into the desk the other day without using the actual amp or a preamp, and really enjoyed the sound I got.
Another straight into the PA guy is Tuck Andress.
IF you could get a good sound running direct to PA, and IF everything is in the mix (or monitors are giving you a good mix of mic'd and not mic'd instruments, IF you had a good sound man/woman, it would work great. I suppose I'll keep carrying an amp with me.
But yeah, FlyRig 5 works great for this stuff. Has reverb, delay and amp simulation. And a boost (mega useful)!
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Originally Posted by feet
Originally Posted by feet
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bumping this, just building a small pedaltrain board Nano with the volto power supply. I bought the newer MXR Reverb pedal, really nice!!. and i have an MXR Carbon copy for delay..sound great together, but ya, a little verb and delay goes alonggg wayyy. Run it right into my Bud
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Just putting in a recommendation for the Keeley Aurora reverb pedal. It has three modes, Hall/Room/Plate, and they all sound very good. However, what has most sold me on this pedal is the inclusion of a "slapback" control—like pre-delay in a DAW reverb—which gives you control over how much time it takes for the reverb to sound after a note is struck. I've always thought reverb sounds a bit better with some space between the note attack and the reverb, and now I don't need to be in a DAW to control that aspect of the effect.
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Since this thread started, I found another excellent delay+reverb combination:
- Maxon AD-10 analog delay. Excellent sound, capable of barely on, subtle adjustment
- OneControl Prussian Blue reverb. Somewhere between hall and spring. Mini size. lovely sounds
These plus a little clean boost are always on for jazz practice with the Polytone MBII. I have no idea how any of it would sound live. (At this rate, it'll be another 900 years before I'm ready for that ...) But it sounds especially good with the old Guild X50 in my office.
MD
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Originally Posted by Dennis D
That is a good analogy. I am amused at how focused some of us are on our pedals and knobs. Adrian Belew would be proud.
I think any effect serves 2 purposes: for you, and for the audience. Most of us especially playing alone at home need the extra ambience to make it sound good. Or maybe we’re going for a special effect. When playing with others, a touch of reverb makes the guitar sound less staccato and blends in well with bass, piano and horns, which have natural echoes or which can be sustained through breathing for instance.
I don’t have a reverb pedal currently, though previously had an EFX Holy Grail. I’d like another one TBH—nice pedal. I use amp reverb (Fender SCXD or Fishman Artist) typically set for “hall”, reverb at 25%, “tail” about 50%.
There is just no benefit to messing around with the sound too much in a traditional combo setting. Sometimes I will add a bit of chorus for one of the slower ballads just for effect, but unless the group is focused on guitar as the main soloist it sounds self-indulgent to the audience. At least that’s my perception.
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I love reverb. For years I used it, along with a good set of flats to hide my bad technique. A couple of years ago I dumped my reverb and delay pedals, put on round wounds, and was embarrassed. Today, I have adjusted my technique so I feel more comfortable. But, I still love a good reverb sound. So, I brought it back. Now I can more autonomously judge the room, the song, and choose whether to use it, and how much, judiciously. But, thinking back, it was indeed a crutch for bad technique. Now it is a tonal choice. My wife and daughter still only humor me while I play, but the cat is loyal. So, no miracle occurred, however.
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