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One of my favorite albums! "Dedicated to all the guitar players in the world" -- if I recall right.
Originally Posted by Mike Anderson
FYI: I saw Eddy Hazel with P-Funk during their mid-70s Mothership Connection Earth tour. Everyone was there -- George Clinton, Bootsy Collins, "Mudbone" Cooper, Jerome Brailey, Bernie Worell, Gary Shider, and (another great funk guitarist) Michael Hampton. Even the great Maceo Parker!
Some will say, ain't got much to do with jazz -- but me? I say, thanks for the trip down the funk road!
"Get the funk outta my face! 
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11-12-2018 12:43 PM
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Speaking of venturing into jazz, check this out. As a bonus some might find a new appreciation for trad jazz. Eric's done well here!
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guitar solo starts at 3:05 for anyone who is curious, but doesn’t want to cringe to death before it starts
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You hate jazz? Originally Posted by joe2758
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I gotta agree with Jack Zucker. Miles wanted Jimi Hendrix in his band. Good enough for me.
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Good enough for me too. Originally Posted by Greentone
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You're absolutely certain that Miles was only thinking in musical esthetics and not in terms of a money grab? Originally Posted by Greentone
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I played a lot of extended freak out, balls to the wall blues jams as a teen in the 70s. I don't have anything from that period, but, in a fit of nostalgia some 15-20 years ago, I recorded the "Blues-Rock solo" on the below page. Nothing on there related to what I'm trying to do now, but just so you know I'm not talking out the wazoo.
Peter L. Clifton Songs | ReverbNationLast edited by Peter C; 11-12-2018 at 06:45 PM.
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And Jimi was a big fan of Rahsaan Roland Kirk. Originally Posted by Greentone
Hendrix reportedly watched Kirk play at Ronnie Scott's Club on March 8, 1969 and then joined him in a jam session the next night. Kirk then allegedly went to Hendrix' flat on Brook Street.
Not bad for a guy who didn't understand jazz.
I think the point missed about Hendrix is that he wasn't so much a rock guitarist as he was an avant garde or abstract artist. Rather than paints and brushes, his medium was music. Leave it to others to label what kind of music it was.
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Before "going abstract", Henri Matisse learned to paint still lifes and landscapes, then studied impressionism, Turner and the like. He understood his medium in a way I wish Hendrix had been able to grasp his, instead of piling on effects and such. The jazz guys who were drawn to him? Why not, lots of others were.
That's my take, and I absolutely love some of his stuff: Wind Cries Mary, All Along The Watchtower ....
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Hendrix mostly appeal to those jazz fans who like their jazz rooted in American Black R&B, Gospel, Blues etc. If you are into more conservative sounds and playing of the 50's, like Johnny Smith, Herb Ellis, Tal Farlow, guys like that, then maybe not. Hendrix had very little to do with jazz of that kind, but can see a lot of common ground with players like George Benson. At their core, their were coming from the same school.
Again, two words- Chitlin Circuit. That's where Hendrix foundation was formed. You can spice up the groove any way you want, it's still American Black R&B school.
My biggest grief with Hendrix is he set millions of guitarists on the path of endless noodling and pyrotechnic playing as a default for rock guitar. 99% have no understanding of rhythm as a driving force.
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My opinion is as follows:
In terms of sheer impact on guitar focused contemporary music, greatness can be described as follows:
Before Hendrix and After Hendrix
The same may be said about Charlie Christian, but he wasn't included by the OP.
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Fair do's Hep, but on which side of that dichotomy would you place Coltrane?
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Me thinketh, the same side of track as Hendrix. (But that's just me...) Originally Posted by Peter C
In the early 60s, they booed at Coltrane in France during his tour with Miles Davis. Downbeat called Coltrane and Eric Dolphy's music "anti-jazz". Free jazz or avant garde jazz wasn't well respected for many years and even today is not much referred to when talking about jazz. I think it was just too much for many listeners. Much in the same way many rock fans didn't get Hendrix in his lifetime. They'd rather listen to the more predictable "geniuses" of Zeppelin or Cream. They could relate to that. Hendrix? Man, he was too far gone!
By the way Peter. I respect where you're coming from. In some genres of music I prefer the classic sounds -- for example Gypsy Jazz. Give me Django or give me Fapy. I don't appreciate much of the new players mixing modern jazz and virtuosity-for-virtuosity's sake in GJ. I'm probably missing out on something but that's just the way I am.
Odds are if we picked 10 random "jazz" LPs, there'd be three you'd hate, three I'd hate, and four that we could both groove on. So play on brother!
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Without slavery, black gospel and later blues , there is no "jazz." Jazz, both the music and the word, have been co-opted for decades. That's understood, right?
And Hendrix barely lived 28 years. Had he lived to be a senior, like those others mentioned here, who knows what direction Hendrix may have taken his music. It's an apples and oranges comparison,imo. Jimi Hendrix burial place, local to me, has a memorial that is a fitting tribute to his legacy. It's a shame so many jazz greats don't experience such a tribute.
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I think archtopeddy said it. Originally Posted by Peter C
I think spiritually Coltrane and Hendrix are very very close. Musically later Coltrane had more vamp-like tunes for improvisation, something that Hendrix could do as well.
Other than that... didn't follow Coltrane's career very close, so not sure if he was involved with swing and dance bands early on, or played in Church.
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Who knows? Originally Posted by Lobomov
You're absolutely certain that Miles was only thinking in musical esthetics and not in terms of a money grab?
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In the Troup bio, Miles talked about seeing Sly Stone and wanting to incorporate more popular elements into his music. Hence electronics, funk, Bitches Brew (how mysogynistic does that seem now!).
Last edited by Bach5G; 11-13-2018 at 01:01 PM.
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Yes...one can only shudder at the thought of the sleepless nights Miles would have had if he were alive today, worrying about the impression that title gave. Originally Posted by Bach5G
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My #1 favorite Hendrix album. I wore out 2 vinyl copies of this album. The solo on Machine Gun is my absolute favorite . Originally Posted by pauln
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Yeah, generally I think Hendrix''s studio albums are fun, but kinda dated sounding...his live recordings are jaw dropping, fresh, vital, awesome.
Imagine what Jimi would have sounded like on Miles' Dark Magus...my God...
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... Or Agharta. Though Pete Cosey is nothing to sneeze at either! Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
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From my group "Modern Jazz Guitar" on facebook (regarding Machine Gun): Originally Posted by va3ux
Good enough for me.
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I think most of his studio albums stand up just fine. Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
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There's a great video on the life of Trane. It's just short of 3 hours long, and very informative. Originally Posted by Hep To The Jive
Check out 'Chasing Trane'
Amazon.com: Chasing Trane: The John Coltrane Documentary [Blu-ray]: John Coltrane, John Scheinfeld: Movies & TV
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