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Originally Posted by wintermoon
Its really shame that the tuners are sealed so permanently and cannot be re-lubricated.
Joe D
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02-26-2018 01:45 PM
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Can any of the experienced techs on the board comment on whether its possible to re-lube Kluson Sealfasts?
Is there a method that allows one to shoot some solvent based grease down the post?
I searched the internet and I couldn't find anything.
Joe D
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Originally Posted by Max405
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Originally Posted by fws6
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I have heard soaking them in a bowl of liquid WD40 for a couple days works wonders. You have to buy the gallon jug though.
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interesting.
I wonder if the WD40 reacts w/the old grease in any way, maybe thins it out?
I may try this on the wanky G tuner on my L-5
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Vin do you know if that will mess up the gold plating?
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No I dont think wd40 can dissolve plating
wd40 could be used to wash out the dirt but I guess it would evaporate over time , if you dont add permanent lubrication / like petroleum jelly back in
there is some good stewmac info on this Tri-Flow Pin Point Lubricator | stewmac.com
How to clean and lube dirty old guitar tuners | stewmac.com
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I can see that method working on Klusons w/the hole in the housing but a lot harder w/ Sealfasts.
I'm guessing your suggestion of loosening the little hex nut @ base of tuner next to housing is the only way to get any cleaner in there as well as relubing.
when I get a chance I'll pull out a spare Sealfast and see what the deal is.
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I love that sound. I really do.
Your gear is as good as it gets. Period.
Your playing keeps getting better and better. I've never seen anyone live do better. Never.
Wow! I'm stunned.
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Originally Posted by wintermoon
Joe D
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WD40 will not harm plating. With a sealed Kluson it is about as good as you can do. Schaller makes the repo Klusons for the new Super 400’s. They look the same with the bullseye and dimensions but can be serviced. You would have to do some serious begging to get a set from Gibson though. I was able to get a set of replacement Gibson L5 tuners from Thomann in Germany but it was not cheap and the shipping was very pricey. The plating went bad. I tried to get a new set from Gibson. Gibson asked me if they worked and I said yes and then they said you are not getting a set then.
Tri-flow and a syringe and drip it into the shafts maybe ? Make sure to loosen the trussrod while the tuners are off.
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Originally Posted by Marty Grass
Joe D
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I always thought Kluson Sealfasts were junk. Lots of play and never stayed in tune. At least the ones I had in the 1970’s were not that great. I changed mine out to the “good” Imperials and had the back of the headstock refinished.
Back in those days it was a cheap repair.
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Joe, I could as well as you if I did nothing else in my waking life and if I had some talent. Those are my only two barriers.
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Originally Posted by Max405
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Originally Posted by vinnyv1k
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Wow, Joe, you definitely have that classic sound! Terrific playing. Beautiful guitar. Almost makes me want to look at archtops again. Almost.
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"I changed mine out to the “good” Imperials and had the back of the headstock refinished.
Back in those days it was a cheap repair."
and a devaluing one too
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Originally Posted by wintermoon
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Originally Posted by vinnyv1k
when I got my first electric, a 70's ES-175, I couldn't swap out the orig tuners for a nice set of German Schallers fast enough. But today is today, so you gotta go w/ the flow or risk taking a loss, unless you simply don't care, which I can respect.. I always thought refrets and the usual loss of nibs is a bit over the top. General maintenance imo. same w/ a deteriorating nitro guard, get it off and put a repro on.
As far as how good Sealfasts are, I can't think of any tuners that Gibson used that were any better.
Yeah a lot of them start to break down over the yrs, but that can be said of any stock tuners Gibson used.
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Joe
Hearing you play always reminds me of the kind of playing I have always wanted to excel at. You have also inspired me to commit at some point to learning either a Joe Pass or Johnny Smith tune. I'm thinking about Joe Pass's "Here's That Rainy Day" on Virtuoso. But I haven't had the courage just to start...
... I need to watch more of your clips!
Super sound, wonderful playing. Johnny Smith never had such an able tribute.
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Someone mentioned WD-40.
I thought WD-40 was fish oil, and it may have been at one time.
But I just checked, and it is a remarkable amount of solvent and some petroleum based oil.
The solvents may be nice if you can get them into a seal-fast, but getting the dissolved gunk (and metal particles) out of there seems unlikely. Further, the left-behind oil from WD-40 is extremely poorly suited for the task at hand - lubrication of a very low speed and very enduring pressure mechanical interface.
Low speed and long term presssure means a thick grease is what you want in there.
The tuners are unfortunately poorly configured for this kind of maintenance.
They look so nicely “historic”. What a shame they (and others of course) can not be effectively disassembled and re-greased - especially considering the great synthetics available now.
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Originally Posted by lawson-stone
So it is graspable and unexpectedly humbling at the same time.
Which I suppose is what “great” really should mean.
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Originally Posted by Max405
And that plus the double stops on T42 are the best parts of each song!
We'll have to ask the author of Moonlight in VT.(the JS bio) about those two.
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