View Poll Results: Which one for jazz?
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Deluxe
10 4.65% -
Deluxe Reverb
95 44.19% -
Princeton
13 6.05% -
Princeton Reverb
97 45.12%
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Originally Posted by DMgolf66
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11-29-2018 11:26 PM
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As far as which amp goes, I think it depends on which guitar you are using. If you are using an archtop, I recommend the Princeton. The 10" speaker is a winner when you are using an L5, ES175, etc.
If you are using a ES335, Strat, Tele, etc., then I prefer the Deluxe. Those guitars work well with the 12" speaker.
Hope this helps.
FWIW, I have owned and played both amps over the years.
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Originally Posted by Greentone
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I love the WGS et65 in the DR. Have another one in a cab that I use with a Ceriatone OTS and a Suhr Badger 18. Just got a Dr.Z Remedy...I'll probably dig it with that too. It seems to do most things really well.
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How about a Vox AC15 instead?
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My favorite of the reissues is 68 custom Princeton. Second favorite is 68 custom Deluxe Reverb. Followed by 65 Deluxe Reverb and 65 Princeton. Unfortunately 65 Princeton (my least favorite of the reissues) is what I have.
Originals would be a different story of course.
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How come the Pro Jr doesn't get more love? Low wattage. 10" speaker. Clean enough for small gigs and a bit of grit when you want some.
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Originally Posted by SandChannel
1- Initial production
2- Lack of interest.
3- Discontinuation
4 - Re-discovery by a hip artist
5- Bandwagon
6- Increase in demand in the vintage/used market
7- Further increase in vintage value
8- Fender reissue
Of course reissues will be considered shit, but the stage 1 Pro Jr's will have all the mojo one ever wants from an amp.
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Originally Posted by Tal_175
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Originally Posted by SandChannel
Julian Lage's Gear - Jazz Apparatus
Also going up the stages too quickly can prove fatal.
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I am pretty sure Lage uses a Champ as well. I was just trying to think of guitar players that could radically drive up the interest in any particular piece of gear. Those two seem to have pretty strong followings among guitar players.
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Originally Posted by SandChannel
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I used to gig with a Pro Jr (first year, tweed with the original blue frame Eminence alnico magnet 10" speaker). It was an amazing amp.
I say this as someone who has owned and played virtually every kind of tweed, blackface and silverface Fender amp you can think of.
I would have this amp yet but a national touring band heard it and bought it from me. The lead guitarist subsequently toured with it and recorded several albums with it. He mainly played slide on a reissue of a SG/Les Paul into the amp.
Now, if you really want to talk about low-wattage Pro amps, let's talk about the early-50s 20-watt 5C5 Pro with the Jensen 15" speaker. _There's_ an amp!
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I have a newer Pro Jr IV. They are back to using Tweed again and they look as cool as they sound. I think Zinky designed the original Pro Jr so they have a bit of their own thing going on compared to your standard Blackface-type circuit. The big difference between this current Pro Jr and the last model (III) is that there is more of a taper on the volume pot so that it doesn't go from clean to dirty with a millimeter of sweep from left to right. The knob allows for more control/variety over the gain stage (volume). I dig it a lot. Plus, it is light and I have always had a soft spot for ten inch speakers.
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I owned two early Blues Jr amps and the above-mentioned Pro Jr. There is no comparison between them. The Pro Jr simply blows the Blues Jr way out of the water. I know, different amp for a different purpose, some will say. However, I rigorously put these amps through their paces under all kinds of situations, in all kinds of genres. For everything from blues to rock to jazz, the Pro Jr was the winner.
With archtops, semiacoustics, solid-bodies, you name it--you just could not embarrass the little Pro Jr. OTOH, the Blues Jr (a serviceable amp) could sound kinda wimpy and doinky when you pushed it.
SandChannel's observation about Zinky's "own thing" seems right on, to me.
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Originally Posted by Greentone
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I use a Princeton, but I'd move up to a deluxe if I needed the power. Tone is very similar, but the weight and size of the Princeton is nicer. I like the Brown Princetons, even though they don't have reverb, because they seem to have more umph, headroom, and respond to your playing more (due to the fixed bias maybe?). The tremolo on them is unbeatable. No reverb, but you put a Strymon Flint in front of it and you wouldn't know the difference between that and a Fender tank in a blind test.
Julian Lage uses both, and I can see why. It's really just a matter of venue size because both sound similar/great.
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I have gigged deluxe reverbs many times, but I never had a Princeton until fairly recently. My Princeton has an upgraded speaker, so a bit more headroom. So I recently borrowed a friend's 70s deluxe reverb for a gig, also with a bigger speaker. As most friends that have both amps,I thought there wasn't that much of a difference in volume, just a bit more headroom with the deluxe. You could compensate with amp placement and careful playing. I really can't decide if it's worth buying a deluxe also for a bigger amp, or stay with the princeton only and get a light weight solid state for louder gigs. Cause I know I won't want to carry a heavy fender around (like the vibrolux or the pro reverb), and fender is pretty much the sounds I like for an amp.. Choices, choices..
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Originally Posted by Greentone
pits really punchy , used to be house guitar
at a regular jam session, and lots of guitarists
tried to buy it off me !
pro jnr is the same power stage I believe ....
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Originally Posted by JazzPadd
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I traded my 65 Princeton for a 65 Deluxe Reverb. My Princeton had a 12inch alnico speaker that I didn't like (Bordeaux model). I first went for a 68 Deluxe Reverb but it was very very noisy. So I swapped it for a 65. I can actually get 68 sounds out the 65 with by pushing the lower mids with an EQ pedal when I want to. Deluxe Reverb has a more ambient sound than Princeton. Princeton is a bit more focused.
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Originally Posted by Tal_175
Jeff Beck's Fender Pro Junior III 15-Watt 1x10 Guitar Combo Amp | Equipboard(R)
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So now that there has been some time passed.How id the TMDR measuring up and whats the cheap alternative to a DR?
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Sales levels remain high. Satisfaction seems to be common, particularly after the reverb and bright cap software updates. Still lots of posts on the 300+ page sequence over at the Gear Page....
I've been playing mine for 18 months and remain delighted. Sounds are remarkably close to the original and the other benefits (5 levels of power attenuation, XLR out, 3 IR profiles, minimum weight....) make it an excellent amp in its own right.
Criticisms regularly raised are that Fender should have given it more voices like a modelling amp (but that isn't what the amp is designed for), that it doesn't have tubes (can be a gamestopper for some), or that it is not a sound a particular person likes (but that is true of any amp).
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It probably depends on the room/crowd size of the gigs you do.
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