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Trying to come up with a list that conform to specs in the title line
So far I come up with:
Eastman AR403CE and AR503CE
Benedetto Bravo and 16-B
Any others come to mind?
I have a Bravo and an AR503CE. I really love that scale length. I really love the feel and playability of the Bravo. Not in love in with it's unplugged tone.
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06-07-2017 09:15 AM
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Eastman ElRey 4
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Those are very close to the specs of the one Mark Campellone made for me last year (I ordered it with an 1 11/16" wide nut).
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You might want to look at an Eastman T-146.
https://www.eastmanguitars.com/thinline-t146sm-sb
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Roger Borys B120 Deluxe.
Ned Whittemore.
Last edited by Jabberwocky; 06-07-2017 at 11:38 PM.
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Originally Posted by bmw2002
You managed to get a 16" guitar with a 25" scale length? I have seen several Campellone guitars at the shop in Guilford, CT, and I have always liked them. However the 16" guitars always seem to have a shorter scale length. Is that the shop you used to order it?
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Originally Posted by monk
I have never seen one of these. However, I am thinking it would probably sound similar to the AR503CE that I already own.
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Originally Posted by rob taft
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Originally Posted by Jabberwocky
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A 16" Johnny Smith then?
Need to decide on carved vs. laminate. One is always more expensive than the other. Sounds different too.
I would kill for that 16-B with some nice custom options. Hmmmmmmmm.
Buscarino makes a 16" too.
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Originally Posted by DanielleOM
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Collings CL Jazz....not exactly your criteria but......
Construction Fully hollow parallel braced, thin line Body Honduran mahogany Top Solid spruce Neck Honduran mahogany Body Binding Non-grained ivoroid Fingerboard Binding Non-grained ivoroid Peghead Binding Non-grained ivoroid Bridge Adjustable ebony Tailpiece Ebony Fingerboard Ebony w/ MOP Parallelograms Soundhole S-holes (bound) Pickups Single Lollar Johnny Smith (neck) Pots/Caps Thumbwheel 500K pots/.047 ceramic capacitor Knobs Thumbwheels under pickguard Pickup Rings Black Nut 1 11/16" Scale Length 25 1/2" Neck Joint Extra long mortise & tenon Frets Medium 18% nickel-silver Peghead Veneer Ebony w/ MOP Collings logo and Parallelograms Peghead Profile Deluxe Flared Haircut Tuners Nickel Gotoh w/ Collings logo Wiring Modern Fingerboard Radius 12" Guitar Finish High gloss nitrocellulose lacquer Pickguard Ebony w/ non-grained ivoroid binding Truss Rod Cover Ebony Strings D'Addario EJ21 (.012" - .052") Case Deluxe Hardshell case by Ameritage
Neck Profile
*Actual measurments may vary slightly due to hand-sanding and finishing variables.
DimensionsBody Length 19 1/2" Body Depth 1 5/8" Lower Bout Width 15" Total Length 40 3/4"
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Last edited by Philco; 06-10-2017 at 10:01 PM.
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16", laminated spruce 25" scale. This one happens to be 2.25" deep could be 2" just as easily, neck, anything you want.
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What's your budget? The suggestions here are all great, and with varying prices.
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Originally Posted by marcwhy
I have some flexibility. I don't have enough flexibilty to buy and sell several high end guitars at a loss.
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Originally Posted by Grez
I cannot listen to this at the moment as I am traveling and sitting in a busy coffee shop.
Can you comment on consistency of tone, attack, and sustain, of notes? Is this something you can address as an laminate archtop builder?
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Originally Posted by DanielleOM
In terms of attack and sustain, I would say it's a fast attack and medium sustain. Not super dry (short sustain) and super mid focused, not bright and tight ether (lean low end), it's a little more full range. All viable tonality variants.
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The Eastman El Rey 1 might be in the zone you're describing. It's a 25" scale with a 1 3/4" nut, and you can find them used at pretty low prices. If it's a factor for you, it's one of the lightest weight guitars you'll find anywhere. However, it's a quirky instrument...basically a chambered solid body with no f-holes. I've been playing one for a few years, but every now and then I'll play an archtop and realize what an odd beast the El Rey is.
Archtops El Rey ER1 — Eastman Guitars
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Originally Posted by monk
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Originally Posted by M-ster
With already owning an AR503CE, I have to wonder what characteristics the T146 would have that would seem better.
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Originally Posted by DanielleOM
On my custom (see link), the headstock was tapered and I used ebony tuning knobs. I just played it standing up and it doesn't feel much different than any other thin line smaller bodied guitar. It is a pretty light guitar and for some reason it feels much lighter than my stock ElRey4.
NGD Eastman Custom Shop ElRey4
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I have a T145, a 15" model no longer made, and I really like it. It's very loud acoustically for a thinline, actually louder than my Gibson and Ovation flattops. It's certainly not in the same league as a fullsize archtop, but it's very good for what it is, and I suspect the 16" model would be even better. I have mine strung with D'Addario nickel bronze strings for acoustic playing at home, and they work just as well for amplified playing. I don't know much about the 503CE, and they might sound very similar, but the T146 is very good. I mostly alternate between my T145 and my Benedetto Bambino. I like the Benedetto neck better, but there is no comparison for acoustic tone, the Eastman wins hands down. No surprise there, though. The T145 is a little neck-heavy, having a very light body, and changing the tuner buttons for ebony helped a little with that. Presumably the T146 would be better balanced, with a larger, thus somewhat heavier, body. I would certainly have no qualms recommending the T146, but I can't say how it sounds compared to your 503CE.
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Sadowsky Jim Hall comes pretty close:
- 16? Body with 2 3/4? Side Depth
- Lightweight 5-ply Premium Flame Maple Construction
- Maple Neck with Ebony Fingerboard
- Dovetail Neck Joint Shaped to Jim Hall’s Specifications
- Custom Designed Sadowsky Ebony Tailpiece with String Ground
- 24 3/4? Scale Length
- 1 3/4? Nut Width
- Custom-Wound Sadowsky Pickup with Gold Cover
- Highest Quality Pots and Switchcraft Jack
- Average Weight: 6.25 lbs
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