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    Hi,
    Here is the Gibson ES165 Herb Ellis in action.
    The song is "The Song is You", the arrangement, by Joe Pass.
    I wanted to record this acoustically and electric combined, but all my neighbors seem to be having their grass cut today and the sound of dueling lawnmowers probably wouldn't have worked.
    I am completely attached to this guitar. Its beautiful, plays great and well, its pretty much perfect. 3 down, one to go.
    Thanks Everyone.
    Joe DeNisco


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    So glad you ended up with the guitar Joe. It sounds magnificent in such capable hands. I see you switched it back to the TOM bridge I think that little edge of brightness makes it a little more crisper. That guitar is simply beautiful no doubt about it. I hope you find many years of satisfaction playing it.
    One question though what are the 3 out of 4 and what is number 4.

    Dave

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    WOW bro that thing sounds GREAT ! Looks like you have lost weight too.
    I showed this video to my wife and she said why can't you play nice like that.
    That axe is a winner.......I love the bass notes. Very defined. Nice !!!

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    Hey Dave,
    Thank you so much for selling me the guitar. As you know, this guitar is capable in anybobies hands.
    Its funny, I put the TOM back on this morning. I was hoping more for sustain reasons. I couldnt really tell the difference. If anything, it adds some of those odd after effects like the sound of buzzes and metal and springs.. I might take it off. You had it all figured out. But I do think the TOM looks good though.
    The 3 are the Johnny Smith, a Tal Farlow and this Herb. The 4th will be an L5 Wes, when I can afford it. Then, I'm done. (that was a good one wasn't it)..
    thanks buddy, Joe D

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    "Then I'm done" ? Why do I find that hard to believe Mr. Guitar tester? Didn't I detect a hint of GAS in Mark's JSA thread?

    Fine playing as always my friend, I am glad you have adapted to the chunky neck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vinnyv1k
    WOW bro that thing sounds GREAT ! Looks like you have lost weight too.
    I showed this video to my wife and she said why can't you play nice like that.
    That axe is a winner.......I love the bass notes. Very defined. Nice !!!
    hey bro,
    Thanks buddy. Yeah I lost a couple. It's hard for me to work off calories with 2 bad hips, plantar fasciitis and all the other muscles that have torn off my body over the years. I thought being active and athletic was supposed to keep you younger longer.. Ha! Not..
    The guitar sounds nice right bro? I do really like it a lot. It has found a home with me.
    Tell Ms K, ill play for her anytime she wants.
    Thanks bro.
    Joe D

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stringswinger
    "Then I'm done" ? Why do I find that hard to believe Mr. Guitar tester? Didn't I detect a hint of GAS in Mark's JSA thread?

    Fine playing as always my friend, I am glad you have adapted to the chunky neck.
    you like that one huh? But I am serious though. I refuse to become a gear head for the rest of my life. I will stop at 4. The last one will be an L5 Wes. And I hope for it to be a nice one. Maybe with sea shells on it. Maybe not. I don't know..
    thanks Marco. The neck feels good now. Real good.
    JD

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    Beautiful playing, beautiful tune, beautiful guitar. What more can you want.

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    Your enabler here.......Wildwood is really dealing on their 3 VSB L5P/BJB's. I got them below the 7K mark for you.
    What are bro's for ...... :-)

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    Bro if you have the TOM bridge with the retaining wire they rattle more than a old Harley.
    Get the upgraded Nashville one as found on new L5's. They do not rattle.

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    Joe,

    The "170" sounds great and obviously feels good under your fingers. Great switch out for you--175 to 170.

    GT

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    Hey Joe, nice video. The ES165 looks great and sounds great thanks to your musicianship.

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    Sensational Joe, just exquisite! With your 4 guitar aspirations I really hear another, maybe an L4c or L4ces, in your future?

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    nice..very punchy, midrange forward tone..i suspect it would really cut through the mix in a trio or small group setting

    i'd like to hear it with the acoustic tone mixed in (as you were intending)

    & fine playing per usual joe D! tune is a great showcase for the balance and clarity of tone up and down the neck..perfect choice

    enjoy !

    cheers

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    Max405, you made it sing, my brother. The tone is in your fingers. It will sound like crap in my hands.

    The price of the ES-165 HE just went up! Thanks to you!

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    Joe,
    Great playing as usual . The bass response is real fat and carries the chord beautifully .

    Your mechanics looked quite comfortable on the neck. The added thickness gives you better fretting leverage , and if the nut width is good for you - I think it's a home run.

    Besides, the thicker neck adds depth of tone. The laminated plates on that particular guitar are very good . I remember the back having a very low tap frequency which warms the bass nicely.

    Personally - I think a floater laminate is a perfect compliment to your instruments. Oh and by the way - I have a lead on a sea shell Wes.

    Do enjoy Joe- I always look forward to your NGD videos .

    Steve L

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    Next up to bat......the Abalone Monster. (Q we already named it :-).

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldane
    Beautiful playing, beautiful tune, beautiful guitar. What more can you want.
    thanks oldane.

    Quote Originally Posted by vinnyv1k
    Bro if you have the TOM bridge with the retaining wire they rattle more than a old Harley.
    Get the upgraded Nashville one as found on new L5's. They do not rattle.
    yep, that's the one. I'll deal with it for now. Good advice bro.
    Quote Originally Posted by Greentone
    Joe,
    The "170" sounds great and obviously feels good under your fingers. Great switch out for you--175 to 170.
    GT
    GT, thanks buddy. The guitar is dynamite. Firm and stable.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bobby Marshall
    Hey Joe, nice video. The ES165 looks great and sounds great thanks to your musicianship.
    Bobby, thanks I appreciate it.
    Quote Originally Posted by lawson-stone
    Sensational Joe, just exquisite! With your 4 guitar aspirations I really hear another, maybe an L4c or L4ces, in your future?
    Thank you buddy. Next up an L5. What else?
    Quote Originally Posted by neatomic
    nice..very punchy, midrange forward tone..i suspect it would really cut through the mix in a trio or small group setting
    i'd like to hear it with the acoustic tone mixed in (as you were intending)
    & fine playing per usual joe D! tune is a great showcase for the balance and clarity of tone up and down the neck..perfect choice
    enjoy !
    cheers
    neatomic, the acoustic tone is really really nice. I think I will do one for Lawson with the mix. That's the word I was looking for, balance. Balance and clarity. Yes.
    Thanks buddy.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jabberwocky
    Max405, you made it sing, my brother. The tone is in your fingers. It will sound like crap in my hands.
    The price of the ES-165 HE just went up! Thanks to you!
    hey Jabbs. Thank you brother. I'm sure it would sound great in your hands. I'm flattered to death.
    Quote Originally Posted by QAman
    Joe,
    Great playing as usual . The bass response is real fat and carries the chord beautifully .
    Your mechanics looked quite comfortable on the neck. The added thickness gives you better fretting leverage , and if the nut width is good for you - I think it's a home run.
    Besides, the thicker neck adds depth of tone. The laminated plates on that particular guitar are very good . I remember the back having a very low tap frequency which warms the bass nicely
    Personally - I think a floater laminate is a perfect compliment to your instruments. Oh and by the way - I have a lead on a sea shell Wes.
    Do enjoy Joe- I always look forward to your NGD videos .
    Steve L
    Stevie, I'm lovin the guitar. Thanks for finding it. Pretty much everything about it is perfect.
    Yes, you sure do hold the keys to unlocking #4. It's funny how almost all of my guitars came from you. You have an eye and a feel for the best. Thank you Stevie.

    Thank you everyone. I am glad to be here.
    Joe D

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    Joe - wow, that sounds just great. And wonderfully playing. I didn't think as much of the 165 floaters but this has proven me very wrong and I may have to get one someday. Thanks for recording it.

    Paul


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    Quote Originally Posted by rio
    Joe - wow, that sounds just great. And wonderfully playing. I didn't think as much of the 165 floaters but this has proven me very wrong and I may have to get one someday. Thanks for recording it.

    Paul
    you got it Rio. The BJB is a very powerful and perfect balanced pickup. I'm a believer now.
    Im glad that I debunked the myth about it being a thin sounding guitar. Sometimes, a guy from Jersey's gotta get involved..
    thanks buddy.

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    If I got one then we could add another floater 165 to NJ haha. I am going to start keeping an eye out. I saw one a couple years ago and passed but am going to look forward to trying to find one now.


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    Joe, I think it's time for that custom truss rod cover on the Joe D ES-170 Signature Model. Your playing is excellent, and the tone is nothing less than superb! Well done, Sir, well done!

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    +1 on cover plate.

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    So will the truss rod cover just have your name or your name plus es170? Gonna make us wait to find out? ????

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    Wow...your playing is so great, Joe. Unbelievable command of the instrument. And, that guitar sounds fantastic. Bravo, Joe!

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    Wow, cool tone...got the stringy sound of a longer scale carved top on the trebles, but the low end has some thunk....well, I'll be damned.

    It actually reminds me of my 575, but brighter and more acoustic up top, and darker and thunkier down low.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark M.
    Wow...your playing is so great, Joe. Unbelievable command of the instrument. And, that guitar sounds fantastic. Bravo, Joe!
    Aww, thanks Mark. I do appreciate it a lot.
    And it is my pleasure entirely.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bobby Marshall
    So will the truss rod cover just have your name or your name plus es170? Gonna make us wait to find out? ????
    Bobby, it would sacrilegious to put my name on that guitar. Herb was great and that's a great guitar.
    Quote Originally Posted by Greentone
    +1 on cover plate.


    Quote Originally Posted by citizenk74
    Joe, I think it's time for that custom truss rod cover on the Joe D ES-170 Signature Model. Your playing is excellent, and the tone is nothing less than superb! Well done, Sir, well done!
    C74, thanks buddy. I am really of what happened today. I am really glad that this guitar got some love today. Just like the other 165 with the set in full size humbucker, this guitar takes a back seat to nothing. The way it responds to any playing style is on the money. I love an underdog. Especially a beautiful one like this.

    Quote Originally Posted by rio
    If I got one then we could add another floater 165 to NJ haha. I am going to start keeping an eye out. I saw one a couple years ago and passed but am going to look forward to trying to find one now..
    Good luck Rio. I'm sure there are tons of them in the great garden state. When I sit in traffic every morning I look around and how many of these people play the guitar. Probably a lot!!
    thanks buddy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
    Wow, cool tone...got the stringy sound of a longer scale carved top on the trebles, but the low end has some thunk....well, I'll be damned.
    It actually reminds me of my 575, but brighter and more acoustic up top, and darker and thunkier down low.
    Mr B, I'd love to hear this thing in your hands. Oh man..
    Im proud to know I have a guitar with some thunk in it, finally! And who would a thunk it would be this 165!
    thanks brother.

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    You've always been an exquisite player and any praise I have has been said by me and a thousand others many times before. Great as always, BUT! You're looking really healthy in that video buddy, I thought it was Michael Brecker for a second

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    Joe, great video as always. I was watching your video when my brother Steve walked in the room and without looking at the screen said " Is that Joe you're listening to? " He was able to recognize your playing style just by listening to you. Steve is a great player himself and can often identify guitar players by their style of playing. The tone on your new axe is great by the way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marwin Moody
    You've always been an exquisite player and any praise I have has been said by me and a thousand others many times before. Great as always, BUT! You're looking really healthy in that video buddy, I thought it was Michael Brecker for a second
    Marwin, that was a really nice post. I appreciate it very much.
    I saw Micheal a bunch of times when he was young and healthy. My friends girlfriends Mom was the head hairdresser at Saturday Night Live for years and we would drive into Manhattan every Saturday night at 1am to pick her up. After a while, they knew who we were and security just let us in. I was the odd one who would just walk past Dan Akroyd and Bill Murray just to say high to GE Smith and Micheal..
    Thank you Marwin for you nice words about my playing and this unbelievable guitar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Cushman
    Joe, great video as always. I was watching your video when my brother Steve walked in the room and without looking at the screen said " Is that Joe you're listening to? " He was able to recognize your playing style just by listening to you. Steve is a great player himself and can often identify guitar players by their style of playing. The tone on your new axe is great by the way.
    wow Matt, that was a great thing to read 1st thing in the morning. You are like royalty around here and when i read something like that coming from you I have to pinch myself. To you and Steve, thanks for being part of our family. You fill voids and bring expertise on the side of exquisite guitar building that you just can't get anywhere else. When I grow up, I want to play one of your fine guitars. I hear Vinny singing the praises of your guitars all the time.
    Im glad you like my new baby. Thanks again bro.
    Joe DeNisco

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    I have to ask the obligatory question, even though I know most of the guitar tone is in your fingers. Could you please share whether or not you were using a mic'ed amp or if it was some sort of electronic recording gear?

    (Sigh). In listening to your little performance, I had a Herb Ellis/Charlie Christian moment. You know, the one where Herb says he wanted to put his guitar away and quit playing after hearing Christian for the first time?

    Its so nice when you can own fine guitars and also be able to play them at a nice, high level. I am also happy for you, man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlsoRan
    I have to ask the obligatory question, even though I know most of the guitar tone is in your fingers. Could you please share whether or not you were using a mic'ed amp or if it was some sort of electronic recording gear?

    (Sigh). In listening to your little performance, I had a Herb Ellis/Charlie Christian moment. You know, the one where Herb says he wanted to put his guitar away and quit playing after hearing Christian for the first time?

    Its so nice when you can own fine guitars and also be able to play them at a nice, high level. I am also happy for you, man.
    alsoRan,
    haha.. That's how I feel about Pasquale Grasso and Andreas Oberg.
    I always record straight into a Zoom G3 with no amp simulation, an almost flat eq and a touch of Reverb.
    Here are my settings..
    Usb straight into my PC.
    Thank you buddy. I continue to be flattered to death..
    Joe DeNisco
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    Gibson Herb Ellis ES165 2011 light sunburst | Reverb

    someone is selling a nice one. And it has the Nashville style TuneOmatic bridge which is better. Great price, flame monster, 2011 looks mint. Probably has the standard 175 neck profile too.

    ive been playing my 165 a lot. it's really a nice guitar. Had to tweak the truss rod because of the change in seasons. Got the bow out and now its right again. I played it through my Polytone yesterday and that is a special combination, although, the Princeton is still the best amp I ever had.

    I love that its not a 175. Now, I can get a 175 too.

    The more ore I spend time away from a 175, the more I want another one. Same goes for an L5 Wes. In my opinion, those are the best guitars ever made. Those should be the staples in my collection. The other guitars are great, but the L5 and 175's are legendary for multiple reasons. And that becomes apparent when you don't have them in your life.
    JD

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    Those g3's sound nice. I have heard a few guys use them for jazz and they work really well.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Max405
    The more I spend time away from a 175, the more I want another one. Same goes for an L5 Wes. In my opinion, those are the best guitars ever made. Those should be the staples in my collection. The other guitars are great, but the L5 and 175's are legendary for multiple reasons. And that becomes apparent when you don't have them in your life.
    JD
    Words of wisdom. The L-5, Super400 and ES-175 are the jazz guitar icons. D'Angelicos and Guild AA's (and Johnny Smiths) are all acoustic L-5's (or an acoustic Super400 in the case of the DA NYer).

    If one is a serious jazz guitarist, one should strive to own an L-5 and an ES-175 at a minimum. They are jazz guitar comfort food. It is great to taste other flavors, but it just feels right to come home to the icons of jazz guitar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stringswinger
    Words of wisdom. The L-5, Super400 and ES-175 are the jazz guitar icons. D'Angelicos and Guild AA's (and Johnny Smiths) are all acoustic L-5's (or an acoustic Super400 in the case of the DA NYer).

    If one is a serious jazz guitarist, one should strive to own an L-5 and an ES-175 at a minimum. They are jazz guitar comfort food. It is great to taste other flavors, but it just feels right to come home to the icons of jazz guitar.
    its funny you mention that. As you know, I've had a couple of L5's and a couple of 175's. I've always been on some stupid quest to find the guitar of my dreams. Don't get me wrong, it was fun. The benchmark L5 and 175's are the icons for a reason. When the time is right, I will buy 2 more guitars and I'm done. I've turned over every rock. And it turns out, the ones I was looking for, I had in my hands the entire time.

    Joe D

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    Quote Originally Posted by Max405
    its funny you mention that. As you know, I've had a couple of L5's and a couple of 175's. I've always been on some stupid quest to find the guitar of my dreams. Don't get me wrong, it was fun. The benchmark L5 and 175's are the icons for a reason. When the time is right, I will buy 2 more guitars and I'm done. I've turned over every rock. And it turns out, the ones I was looking for, I had in my hands the entire time.

    Joe D
    dude that is deep.

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    Way to go Joe! I love the Vid-e-o! You explained the audio above, how do you do the Video, with what please? Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lawson-stone
    dude that is deep.
    yeah I know.. Lawson, ive deserved to lose all the money I've lost lost for being as stupid as I've been.
    No more. No more buying because I'm a gear head. The last buying I do will be buying stuff that finally makes sense.

    Quote Originally Posted by skykomishone
    Way to go Joe! I love the Vid-e-o! You explained the audio above, how do you do the Video, with what please? Thanks!
    Thanks Sky.
    its simple. I use a Logitech c920 video camera. Into my PC and using youcam 6. Set the camera to the Logitech and set the audio to the Zoom G3. Hit the red record button and Voila!
    JD

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    I know that feeling. I've hit a kind of critical mass of satisfaction with the instruments I'm playing right now. The ES165, the re-issue ES175, and the L5ces are my staple guitars. I also get a lot of fun from the Aria, the Epi Elitist, and the Epi ES175. Not much else I really feel like I need now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lawson-stone
    I know that feeling. I've hit a kind of critical mass of satisfaction with the instruments I'm playing right now. The ES165, the re-issue ES175, and the L5ces are my staple guitars. I also get a lot of fun from the Aria, the Epi Elitist, and the Epi ES175. Not much else I really feel like I need now.
    im glad you have what made you happy Lawson.
    You got all the greats right there. Nice going buddy.
    Joe D

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    I made a very minor but important modification to the underside of my pickguard today.
    When I play, I tend to tap the pickguard a lot as I am picking. Or sometimes I tap it with picking hand when I return "home". Well, whenever I tapped the pickguard I would hear an annoying "clicking" sound under the pickguard. So I neatly taped the wire down so it doesn't slap around under there.
    Here is the tidy little fix..
    Gibson ES-165 Video-img_3838-jpg

    Now the pickguard feels more solid and it has a dead sound when I tap it. It is perfectly quit now.
    JD

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    [QUOTE=Max405;776266]yeah I know.. Lawson, ive deserved to lose all the money I've lost lost for being as stupid as I've been.
    No more. No more buying because I'm a gear head. The last buying I do will be buying stuff that finally makes sense.


    JD, you have been on a journey. The money you have spent is the price of admission to that journey. You experienced some self realization on that journey that is priceless. Have no regrets. Now that you know what you need, make the moves to make it so. Once you have done so, a new journey will commence. And it is all about the journey, not the destination.

    L-5? ES-175? Yeah, you need those.

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    L-5WES? Sure, it's a nice guitar, as is the ES-175. But what you really need is a nice Hofner Chancellor. Coincidentally, I have one available, posted on this very forum! Yeah, that's the ticket!
    Last edited by Hammertone; 07-14-2017 at 01:23 AM.

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    Great playing and great guitar Joe. Always a pleasure watching your videos.

    Keep up the good work.

    Cheers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fred Archtop
    Great playing and great guitar Joe. Always a pleasure watching your videos.
    Keep up the good work.
    Cheers.
    Fred, Thanks buddy. And I love watching your videos too.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hammertone
    L-5WES? Sure, it's a nice guitar, as is the ES-175. But what you really need is a nice Hofner Chancellor. Like the one I have available. Yeah, that's the ticket!
    Hammer, Yeah ya know, I have to try one of those one day.. HaHa..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Max405

    JD, you have been on a journey. The money you have spent is the price of admission to that journey. You experienced some self realization on that journey that is priceless. Have no regrets. Now that you know what you need, make the moves to make it so. Once you have done so, a new journey will commence. And it is all about the journey, not the destination.

    L-5? ES-175? Yeah, you need those.
    My wife came upstairs after I ran through my routine and she sat down on the couch next to me and said, "Wow honey that really sounded nice. I have a question.. If that one sounds so nice, why do need any new ones? And for that matter, why do you need these other 3..." I didn't know how to answer without yelling, So I sat and thought about the answer for a while. Then it hit me.. I started playing Eruption by Van Halen. She said "wow, that didn't sound too good". I said "see that's why you cant have just one"..

    I am tired of the journey to be honest. I've dodged some bullets along the way. I've been lucky. Now I have a focus. My focus needs some cooperation from the real estate market here in New Jersey. Once the plan becomes a reality, I will have the stuff I want and I will enjoy retirement from being a gear head.

    I thought I learned my lesson early on in life. When I was 27, I thought I'd try to make a little comeback in the Boxing ring. So I rejoined Costello's gym after an 8 year hiatus. Things were going well, trimming down, getting my timing back. I had my sites set on a pair of Cleto Reyes 8 ounce gloves. They were hand made and they were expensive. So I broke down and bought them. I used them a couple of times and kept them secure in my locker. I went on vacation for a week.. When I came back, I walked past the table by the ring were the community gloves, headgear and no foul protectors were piled up. On top of the pile, was a pair of new but sweaty and beat up Reyes Gloves. I said Mmmm, Ive never seen them before. So I went to my locker to find some prick ripped my lock off and my gloves were missing. So I told my trainer, Herbie. He said, "hey man, I told you not to buy those gloves and leave them here.. Why you need those gloves anyway?.." He was right. But I never learned...

    Joe D

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    Dang, boxing!! Suddenly I just thought of Ron Affif, who is a great player and whom I associate with boxing, for reasons I'm not completely clear about!

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    Update..
    I love this guitar!
    Its a PERFECT compliment to my Johnny Smith. Sometimes I play it and I think it's better than my Johnny Smith. Yes, really. And other days I think the JS is better.
    The sound, the precision, the flowing nature of its playability and the solidness of the guitar are perfect. The neck dimensions are no longer a problem, especially when bouncing around from JS to Tal and back to this one. Those who have seen this guitar automatically assume that it is more expensive than the other guitars, because of its wood and rich gold appointments. The case for this guitar is my favorite case ever.
    The only issue with the guitar is a shaved truss nut, an issue created by the geniuses at Gibson. Apparently, they flat sand the face of the headstock, before they apply the holly veneer. When they do that, they grind down the truss nut. It still works, but I will replace it.
    One more thing regarding the sound. Thomastik Infield Jazz Swing strings are perfect for this guitar. I might feel that roundwound strings would make this guitar sound too bright. But the TI's are perfect for this guitar. My beloved Fender Princeton Reverb is a perfect amp for this guitar. My Marshall AS50R sounds amazing with this guitar too. Both amps are perfectly balanced. Acoustically, this guitar is actually amazing. A lot of what I hear from the guitar is it's acoustic sound with only a slight amplified sound in a distance. It is wonderfully smooth, with hints of cherry and cocoa if you will... it's just smooth. Exactly what an acoustic archtop should sound like. And plenty loud.
    So my post honeymoon verdict is.. forgive me but I feel like I wayyy underpaid for this guitar. It's a world class guitar. Perfect dimensions, Outstanding sound and playability. As far as I'm concerned, on a scale a 1-10, I give it an Eleven.